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2009-07-29T21:50:22.045-05:00

Jay-z fear mongering=racist.Also, the trouble conc...

2008-07-29T11:04:00.000-05:00

Jay-z fear mongering=racist.
Also, the trouble concerning Nation, when FauxNews sent hidden cameras, involved only one of the party's which happened every friday night, and had been there since before it was called Nation(if i remember correctly.) It was a Rave-styled party, which has nothing to do with what Fillmore Silver Spring will have going on. more fear mongering. Good job, ever-confident "anonymous."

Since Madonna's gotten old and British and scarily...

2008-04-07T11:59:00.000-05:00

Since Madonna's gotten old and British and scarily buffed, I don't think she's attracting the pre-teen girls the way she did the the good old 80's. I think she's pretty much club-kid remix fare now that you could cut diamonds with her biceps (http://aishamusic.wordpress.com/category/muscles/).

So I think Silver Spring is safe from pushup bras until Britney comes to town.

b,That is bras, not braws, short for brassiere. W...

2008-04-07T07:14:00.000-05:00

b,
That is bras, not braws, short for brassiere. With spelling like that, are you sure it is not back to your home town in West Virginia?

Jay-Z dosen't scare me as much as their other big ...

2008-04-05T19:35:00.000-05:00

Jay-Z dosen't scare me as much as their other big star, Madonna. Nothing scares me more than a bunch of pre-teen girls in push up braws, acting like sluts. Time to move to West Virginia.

Just because Live Nation signs Jay Z doesn't mean ...

2008-04-04T12:38:00.000-05:00

Just because Live Nation signs Jay Z doesn't mean they're sending him here. They're going to book the bands that will sell the most tickets in a given place. An artist like Jay Z would probably sell enough tickets that he'd be booked in a larger venue.

And if they *do* send Jay Z here, then it means that you should probably already have locked up your kids and stocked up the bunker-- because those rap-loving folks are already here in SS, just waiting to overrun your neighborhood and buy those Fillmore tickets!
[Note the tongue firmly planted in cheek here-- see chaz's similarly cheeky comment above.]

Now see, THAT's ridiculous criticism of Live Natio...

2008-04-04T09:14:00.000-05:00

Now see, THAT's ridiculous criticism of Live Nation. Look out Silver Spring, Jay-z is going to come to town and steal your children!

Any of you with access to the SOECA listserve shou...

2008-04-03T13:48:00.000-05:00

Any of you with access to the SOECA listserve should check out today's exchange. That Jay-Z development is reinforcing people's fears about what they see as a negative impact on the neighborhood. Those appealing for some openness are being shouted down by those who prefer more "family-oriented" fare and "settled" audiences.

Add Jay-Z to Live Nation's stable of artists.http:...

2008-04-03T09:08:00.000-05:00

Add Jay-Z to Live Nation's stable of artists.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/arts/music/03jayz.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

I love that the Fillmore is coming, and I love tha...

2008-04-02T17:15:00.000-05:00

I love that the Fillmore is coming, and I love that its a corporation. Maybe it would bring more corporations to force some of the craptastic local chains out of here, like the useless 800 nail and hair salons, the unexplained travel and passport agencies, and the shady ass stores in Shitty Place Mall.

I would love a place like Cancun Cantina in Silver Spring so I actually had something to do on the weekend besides going to Piratz Tavern and convincing myself that it was so awesome because of its localness...like a certain segment of the population.

Since everyone hates corporations so much, why dont we get rid of that corporation Discover Channel and replace it with a local brothel and casino. Sound good?

Chaz, I plead ignorance of the booking process too...

2008-04-02T10:04:00.000-05:00

Chaz, I plead ignorance of the booking process too. I just don't think its as simple as "Band A wants to play in DC., etc" I think that the caliber of acts that Live Nation could afford would be a bigger draw than sloppy seconds from the 9:30 club. Plus, perhaps bands that aren't on Live Nation's roster will continue to play at the 9:30 Club anyway. I look at the entry of the Fillmore as expanding the pie for live music in the DC metro area, not a zero-sum game.

The "way out there" statement was attributed to Se...

2008-04-02T09:04:00.000-05:00

The "way out there" statement was attributed to Seth via bands who had also spoken with Live Nation. Do I have audio of Seth making that statement himself? No, but that's why I used the word "reportedly".

Can someone point out exactly where Hurwitz said S...

2008-04-02T09:00:00.000-05:00

Can someone point out exactly where Hurwitz said Silver Spring was "way out there"? I'm not disputing, just wondering. FWIW, I don't think IMP is perfect by any means.

Sanjay, I plead ignorance on exactly how ticket prices are set, but it's the "booking an entire tour at their venues" thing that bothers me about Live Nation. If Live Nation "strongly encourages" a band to play at their venues nationwide, isn't that a monopoly?

Sorry if this double posts.

Roger,I have to dispute your argument about two pr...

2008-04-01T16:19:00.000-05:00

Roger,
I have to dispute your argument about two promoters bidding up the prices. That would be true if you had comparably sized promoters. In the case of LiveNation vs. IMP, it is entirely likely that they will have more flexibility and complex deals in booking acts (such as booking an entire tour at all their venues) that they won't need to engage in a bidding war with IMP over a single location. So there is no need to fear that high prices are necessarily going to ensue. They have the volume advantage to keep prices affordable.

Seth Hurwitz should be justifiably afraid that he won't be able to compete with corporate clout as an independant promoter, which is why he is trying to keep them out of his turf. In fact, it has been alleged by the owner of Rams Head that Hurwitz has engaged in bullying the competition within the DC-Baltimore music scene, as described in your 'bidding-war' scenario.

Shhh, Sligo: if you laugh it breaks the magic!

2008-04-01T16:09:00.000-05:00

Shhh, Sligo: if you laugh it breaks the magic!

LOL, again the U2 thing was mostly my wishful thin...

2008-04-01T16:04:00.000-05:00

LOL, again the U2 thing was mostly my wishful thinking.

Back in 2000, they did perform at Irving Plaza in New York, which is now a Fillmore. Of course, that's New York.

Hurwitz said that Silver Spring is "way out there"...

2008-04-01T16:01:00.000-05:00

Hurwitz said that Silver Spring is "way out there"?! Is he kidding? Except for a few people, most fans who go to the 9:30 Club have to drive there, and then find parking, and then hope that after the show their car is still there, and/or they make it to their car in one piece.

OTOH, the Fillmore will be a two minute walk from the Silver Spring metro, and walking down Colesville Road will be safe, especially if a big chunk of the crowd is moving along with you.

U2 as the possible premier act? Holy S**T!

What's funny is that as soon as the lights go down...

2008-04-01T15:59:00.000-05:00

What's funny is that as soon as the lights go down at 9:30 Club shows, at least one person lights up a joint.

After the shootout at the historic JC Penny Saloon...

2008-04-01T15:54:00.000-05:00

After the shootout at the historic JC Penny Saloon in DTSS, the shootout in which Live Nation shoots IMP dead, it has been reported that IMP's last words were: "I know this long running feud was all but over. If only Sligo had not been such a good lap dog for Live Nation, I might have lived and saved this town from people doing drugs in this watering hole."

Roger,FWIW, I think bands have some input as to wh...

2008-04-01T15:11:00.000-05:00

Roger,

FWIW, I think bands have some input as to what their tickets are priced at - it isn't solely at the discretion of the venue.

(Although your argument bolsters my case as to why IMP got involved in the first place.)

Anyway, like I mentioned in the original post, the tickets for shows here won't be particularly expensive.

Didn't Nation have a huge homosexual scene? I feel...

2008-04-01T14:16:00.000-05:00

Didn't Nation have a huge homosexual scene? I feel like I read about that in college. But if they can replicate that in Silver Spring, it'll add sexual-orientation diversity and make the neighborhood nicer, like Du Pont Circle. Shouldn't that make you happy, Roger?

(That's somewhat tongue-in-cheek.)

Sligo, I liked your post. Yeah, grain of salt and all that, but it's good that they're at least reaching out to the SS Internet scene.

Sligo, in your follow-up comment, NATION was tempo...

2008-04-01T14:09:00.000-05:00

Sligo, in your follow-up comment, NATION was temporarily closed down in May of 1999 when DCFox5 snuck cameras into the club and recorded people doing drugs. Clear Channel did not own the venue, but if my memory serves me, most of the big name bands were booked by Clear Channel (proto-Live Nation). Live Nation was created because people were charging that Clear Channel had monopoly- they owned most of the radio stations AND the venues around the country. Now people are beginning to charge Live Nation with a monopoly on the live music industry because they own and operate more venues than any other corporation.

What is left out in everyone's response is that we giving corporate welfare to a corporation that does not need it! These are my tax dollars as much as yours, and I genuinely do not think that Live Nation deserves the money. Period. With 4 billion dollars in revenue last year, they should be giving DTSS millions, not the other way around!

As for the competition argument, the music industry is one of the few industries where competition hurts customers, not helps. Here is why: Band A wants to play in DC. Promoter A and Promoter B both want Band A to play. Promoter A will pay $10,000, Promoter B says they will pay $20,000. Promoter A counters with $25,000 and Promoter B decided that $30,000 will not bring a return on investment. So Band A goes with Promoter A, but who gets stuck with the bill? YOU the customer. Live Nation is unique because they are the world's largest entertainment company, so they will *always* be able to outbid any competition and will always pass the expense on to you. Worse, is that Live Nation is paying a pittance for rent at the Fillmore. @ $7,5000 a month, they only need to throw one sold out show to make profit each month, every other show each month is financial gravy that is exported out of DTSS.

Thanks for taking the time to respond to my comments.
~Roger

Roger,One other thing: you say the club Nation was...

2008-04-01T12:55:00.000-05:00

Roger,

One other thing: you say the club Nation was closed down due to drugs?

I went back and checked and actually it was closed because the owner could get a lot for the property on the real estate market.

In fact, I can't find any reference at all to Live Nation running this club in any way. Even if they did, it was economics, not mismanagement that resulted in its closing.

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Jay-z fear mongering=racist.Also, the trouble conc...

Since Madonna's gotten old and British and scarily...

b,That is bras, not braws, short for brassiere. W...

Jay-Z dosen't scare me as much as their other big ...

Just because Live Nation signs Jay Z doesn't mean ...

Now see, THAT's ridiculous criticism of Live Natio...

Any of you with access to the SOECA listserve shou...

Add Jay-Z to Live Nation's stable of artists.http:...

I love that the Fillmore is coming, and I love tha...

Chaz, I plead ignorance of the booking process too...

The "way out there" statement was attributed to Se...

Can someone point out exactly where Hurwitz said S...

Roger,I have to dispute your argument about two pr...

Shhh, Sligo: if you laugh it breaks the magic!

LOL, again the U2 thing was mostly my wishful thin...

Hurwitz said that Silver Spring is "way out there"...

What's funny is that as soon as the lights go down...

After the shootout at the historic JC Penny Saloon...

Roger,FWIW, I think bands have some input as to wh...

Didn't Nation have a huge homosexual scene? I feel...

Sligo, in your follow-up comment, NATION was tempo...

Roger,One other thing: you say the club Nation was...

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