Monday, November 04, 2013

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- Romano's Macaroni Grill, located at the top of DTSS since the development first opened, has closed without fanfare. I was never a fan, and based on the number of one star Yelp! reviews, neither were most people. I'm not sure I ever ate there when it wasn't an unfortunate choice for a work lunch. That's a big hole to fill, so hopefully Peterson has something new (and far better) lined up. Something along the lines of a Gordon Biersch would probably succeed in that spot.

- While it received a reprieve and was allowed to open for two nights this year, the Haunted Garden is not out of the (haunted) woods yet. There is a hearing scheduled for November 5th where a judge will rule on whether it will be permitted to operate in the future. I went on the first of the two nights it was open, and the line to get in stretched down the block. There's no way to say for sure if all the publicity drastically increased attendance, but I wouldn't be surprised. We had someone at our house the week prior giving us an estimate on some work, and he was asking if the Haunted Garden was nearby, as he had heard about it on the news (and this guy was from NoVa).

- DC is considering extending streetcar service to Silver Spring. This seems like a no-brainer to me, so hopefully MoCo will work with the District to make this happen ASAP.

- You'll soon be able to hit the hookah while enjoying Premier League matches at Zeke Hookah Lounge, coming soon to Thayer Avenue. Incredibly, hookahs have somehow remained legal in Montgomery County. Presumably this establishment is related to Zeke Sport Cafe, the hookah bar located just across the District line on Georgia Avenue.

Thanks to MG for the photo.

- I appreciate all the work the county has done of late related to pedestrian safety, but this sign recently installed near my house was ill-conceived. It's one thing if you construct a new median at a crosswalk like they have done in many places, but just sticking a sign in the middle of the street isn't the best idea. If I stand by and wait a few minutes, I will usually witness at least one car plow over it. Somehow it has remained standing after all this abuse, but it can't last much longer.

You should see the pedestrian.
- Not your traditional fall foliage, but the ivy Virginia Creeper on the side of this office building near Fenton and Silver Spring Avenue is a bit of natural abstract art.





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Anonymous said...

Good riddance to Romano's. A GB would be pretty neat there.

Anonymous said...

Awesome news about Macaroni Grill! I assumed their lease was such a sweetheart deal (to attract them when DTSS hadn't yet "sprung") that we were going to be stuck with the place for generations to come. Maybe they had a 10 year lease run out? So awesome. Anything they put in will automatically be an upgrade.

I agree that a generic pub/sports bar (a la BWW or GB or Rock Bottom) would do a whole lot of business there. While it'd be nice to have something unique/interesting move into the space, I'm guessing the rent for the space will be astronomical that only a chain could take on.

Sligo said...

Good point about the 10 year lease, considering DTSS opened in 2003.

Anonymous said...

Amazing. I had lackluster experiences at Macaroni Grill years ago and never went back... until the Saturday of the Majestic Bomb Threat which messed up my plans to watch the Zombie Walk. We just went there on a whim, and had pretty decent food. Easily my best experience there. I was kinda thinking they turned a corner and we might have gone back again. I guess we won't now!

Craig said...

I am amazed that some of the older Ellsworth restaurants are still around.

Austin Grill was one of the first tenants in the new DTSS project. The place was PACKED with patrons from late 2003 to 2005. It was the ONLY bar place on Ellsworth at the time. The novelty wore off; the bar got less crowded and the tables were more empty. Food really sucks there. The beer selections aren't so hot. Amazing that Austin Grill place is still around.

Eggspectation. It was really cool when you could order a hearty breakfast with a glass of wine. I have encountered slow service and so-so food in more recent years. Should we have a "death watch" in place for the ol' Eggspectation?

Red Lobster. The joint survives the test of time. A nuclear bomb could go off 50 miles from Silver Spring and that place would still be open for business days after.

Anonymous said...

To the best of my memory, DTSS "opened" in the spring of 1993, not 2003.

I went to MG from time to time, ALWAYS had bad service. Would be awesome to have a great brewery there. Hope it's not empty for too long.

Anonymous said...

I think Gordon Biersch would be an awesome addition though I suspect it would signal the downfall of some other establishment as it would take away whatever business they have.

Sligo said...

Def not 1993. Back then there was Shitty Place, but that's about it. Discovery opened in 2003 and the shopping center was still under construction.

Anonymous said...

The sign at Sligo Creek and Worth actually lasted 2 days longer than I thought it would. Think it went up on a Tues or Weds. Told my wife it would be wacked by Sat. Think it was hit on Mon. A stop sign is really needed. So far, I have counted 8 stikes and I'm sure there are more.The next thing wacked could very well be some nanny taking her charges to the park.

Gull said...

I had never been to this location of MG - been to the one in Annapolis, and Kingstowne Alexandria, they were both ok. This may date me but they still had the make your own pasta bar back then!

I second Austin grill sucking and needing to go. I've been twice only because I was with a group that couldn't decide on what else they wanted, and the fast casual places like Chipotle and Noodles N Co were too crowded at the time.

Eggspectation does have service issues, though I think the food is still ok and ironically does not have a bad happy hour (food and prices are good), but the scene is just not there. It's always packed for Brunch, so I don't see it going anywhere any time soon.

Anyone know how the Japanese Steak House on top of the Potbelly's is doing? I went there last year not long after it opened, it was your run of the mill place, moderately crowded but also new enough that people may not have known about it yet. I'd hate to see it fold unless the service or quality is legit not good.

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We ate at the Macaroni Grill twice since it opened. Both times resulted in my experiencing food poisoning. I decided that it probably wasn't just bad luck, but a sign that the restaurant had some serious food-handling problems.

- Clancy

Anonymous said...

Another News and/or Note. According to the big orange liquor license notice poster for "Pho Tan Vinh," there is apparently a Vietnamese restaurant going up on Colesville in the space between the Liquor store and the newish UPS store.

Lee said...

I've went to the RMG at least once a year, and never had a bad experience there.

I love all the guesses on a Gordon Biersch being put there. We should be so lucky.

Anonymous said...

The food critics on this board are over the top. I've never been a big fan of Macaroni Grill. Definitely be happy to see something else, almost any other place, there. But, it wasn't bad. And Clancy, you didn't get food poisoning there. Food poisoning is a near death experience that would close down a restaurant. And even you did get it once, and went for seconds you've surpassed stupid.

Eggspcetation is good. And so is Austin Grill. Yeah, they aren't great, but give little appreciation for places that generate good business for our downtown.

Anonymous said...

Macaroni Grill leaving @ the 10 year mark (likely either because the new lease was too expensive or because Peterson didn't even offer them the opportunity to re-sign) has me salivating at the prospect of Peterson replacing a few other restaurants on Ellsworth....

Austin Grill, Red Lobster and Fuddrucker's would be the best things to get rid of, in my opinion. They're such prime spaces and such awful food. And that's not just my opinion - it's nearly everyone's opinion, judging from the volume of horrific reviews out there on them. The only way they get business is from people who don't know Silver Spring well enough/don't know how to use Yelp and just go there because they have prominent frontage.

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Anonymous said...

Probably four years ago I was eating lunch at the Macaroni Grill bar when a huge cockroach went running across the bar top in front of me. After having my lunch comped, I never went back. They won't be missed my me.

Despite what I consider to be very mediocre food, Red Lobster is probably here to stay. They have a customer base who seems to be very fond of what they put on the table.
Or perhaps they put Crack in those cheddar biscuits everyone seems to love.

Austin Grill used to serve good food. Ownership has changed probably three times since that location opened. I used to live in Glover Park and frequented the original location. Over the ownership changes, everything from their unique grilled chicken wings, to the salsa changed for the worse. I would have paid for their original chicken wing recipe it was so good.

I'm looking forward to Urban Butcher opening. Hopefully someone with a great concept who can afford the rent will move into the MG space soon. I have to believe SS has the $$ demographics to attract a top tier tenant to that space. I'd also like to see a brew pub with good food take over that space. I was super pissed when Dogfish Head bailed on SS for a Gaithersburg location instead years ago.

John

Craig said...

Well, I would assume that Red Lobster, Austin Grill and Eggspectation are also looking at 10 year lease expirations soon. Can anyone see any of these joints re-upping for a new lease? What they paid in 2003-2004 is no where near what they are expecting with a new lease.

Maybe Red Lobster lives because they are a national restaurant chain with fairly deep pockets and the Silver Spring location does a brisk business. I don't think Austin Grill and Eggspectation can absorb a substantial rent hike.

It's safe to put AG and Eggs on the death watch.

Frankly, just about every spot on Ellsworth is worthy of a death watch. Galaxy Billiards pretty much just attracts thugs, hoods, and drunks now. I don't see many women or families walk into the joint. I have only seen Montgomery County cops line up and handcuff young men outside of Galaxy on multiple occasions. That tells you something right there.

McGinty's has been a terrible disappointment. No charm. Mediocre dining offerings. So-so draft beer choices. And the upstairs layout is simply awkward for patrons.

I don't see how the Viet, Thai and Japanese steakhouse restaurants survive on the upstairs level. The Viet and Thai restaurants will have their leases expire in the next 2-3 years. No way they can afford to stay at those locations.

Chipotle will survive at its location but Moby Dick and Noddles & Company don't draw big crowds.

Come back to Ellsworth Street in 2018 and you will see a complete makeover of businesses.

Anonymous said...

yeah right with Gordon Beirch.


Isn't that a bar? With beers and stuff? We know how the DTSS commentators and citizens hate anything that resembles a standard brewery that shows sports.

Anonymous said...

Don't be an idiot, 12:08 troll. You sound even dumber than usual.

Really excited by the turnover. The newer Ellsworth shops/restaurants (Sweetgreen, Masa, City Sports, H&M, Nandos, CVS, BurgerFi, Fro-zen-yo) are much more interesting than the original tenants. Bring on the new blood!

Craig, Galaxy is slated to close w/the Shitty Place reno as they're turning the space into a new entrance. Shitty Place has told a number of tenants to move out in Dec. (hopefully including Galaxy, though I don't know for sure) so I'd expect renos to begin either this winter or once the weather breaks for spring.

Anonymous said...

Isn't that a bar? With beers and stuff? We know how the DTSS commentators and citizens hate anything that resembles a standard brewery that shows sports.

This is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen written on here. And that is an incredibly high bar (no pun intended).

What exactly makes you think commenters here (or the citizenry in general), hate anything that would resemble a standard brewery that show sports?

Was it all the comments that, in this post and many others, have shown support for a real sports bar that you didn't feel you were going to be stabbed at?

Was it all the initial excitement and hope that posters here expressed for Babe's before it went under?

Was it all the initial excitement and hope for Fire Station 1 that commenters expressed here, until the crushing realization set in that not only would it not be an actual brew pub, but wouldn't even be a very good bar?

Anonymous said...

well the last three comments are excited about galaxy closing and blasting mcgintys. you know the only two places that qualify as bars at all around the downtown area.

but it's easier for the mouthbreathers just to cry troll on here.

Anonymous said...

well the last three comments are excited about galaxy closing and blasting mcgintys. you know the only two places that qualify as bars at all around the downtown area.

Beyond the fact that neither of those is a brewery and the only sports McGinty's really shows that is any different from literally any place anywhere else is some EPL, how does the fact that one would rather have better options than a totally sketchy, and not terribly good, pool hall and a faux Irish Pub that isn't even a terribly good representation of a faux Irish Pub, support your contention that posters here DTSS commentators and citizens hate anything that resembles a standard brewery that shows sports.

Per your standard, if it has a TV that has ESPN and a tap, we should just shut up and be happy.

Craig said...

Anon 12:46 PM...

Man, I hope you are right about Galaxy Billiards getting the heave-ho.

Last Sunday night, I was walking down Ellsworth on my way to Whole Foods. There were three guys in front of the Galaxy entrance wrestling and punching each other. All of them were clearly intoxicated. One guy was punched hard enough that he fell to the ground and he couldn't back on his feet. The other dudes were just laughing. Meanwhile, pedestrians along the street had this "What the fuck is going on" expression on their faces.

Seriously, the Montgomery County alcohol control board has to do something about that shithole establishment. There have been police visits to Galaxy to warrant a thorough investigation.

Gull said...

Yes the Galaxy is slated to leave as part of the renovations to the Mall. Based on the final plans, i'd think some of these banks anchoring the corner spots are also on the chopping block since the renderings show restaurants in these locations.

I have to respectfully disagree with Craig that Eggspectation is on a watch list. They may not be a national chain per se, but they have a few locations in Canada where they are from, and in the DC area including Leesburg and Columbia. I actually thing a place like Ellsworth is exactly their market, and the brisk business and high prices they charge make me think a new lease is not an issue. Plus, if there is too much pressure for restaurants to leave due to increased rent, i'd not assume someone will rush to fill the openings, and if Peterson has any business sense they won't raise rents too high until they get the sense they can fill the voids.

Sligo said...

I would be sad if I could no longer get my Bagel Dore.

Phyuck Yiu said...

I hope Moby Dick isn't going anywhere, I like to support local chains and I go there often.

Phyuck Yiu said...

I hope Moby Dick isn't going anywhere, I like to support local chains and I go there often.

Phyuck Yiu said...

I hope Moby Dick's isn't going anywhere soon. I like to support local chains and I go there often.

Anonymous said...

"I have to respectfully disagree with Craig"

There is no place for that here.

Anonymous said...

Sorry for the pessimism...

I think the showstopper with GB might be that the building doesn't have the vertical space for the conical fermenters the brewhouse would typically need. I believe they're got some type of tenants above that space.

On the other hand, since Bethesda has a Rock Bottom we can hopefully assume that MG wouldn't stand in the way of putting a brewpub elsewhere in DTSS.

Pete said...

As a 30+ bearded white dude (THE core demographic for brewpubs) I'd love to see a Biersch or something in that space, but I won't get my hopes up considering how many times that possibility has been dangled in Silver Spring only to be yanked away.

Macaroni Grill wasn't the best or worst thing around and I probably wouldn't even celebrate its demise were it not for its totally central location to the Peterson property. Whatever goes there is essentially the most visible restaurant in DTSS. Let's just hope the space doesn't stay vacant long.

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Anonymous said...

Screw Gordon Biersch (just kidding -they're welcome too), but we just got ourselves a legit microbrewer & biergarten. Should be open this summer (which I take as a good news compared to Fajita Coast just moving in and opening in 3 days without actually doing anything to make the space better).

Come on, people on the west side of the tracks - don't let this place fail, too. You're in charge of keeping Scion and this place open. That's it. Handle it; k, thanks.

Anonymous said...

Oh my god. Not THAT building. That building is poison. Its in the middle of nowhere and a structural nightmare.

I love that they are opening up a real brewpub instead of another fn restaurant, BUT they have to do something with street visbility.

Unforunately im nto sure what you can do with the horrible design of the building.

Anonymous said...

Ok, let's just ignore all the other comments posted above and focus on mine.
For a start, DTSS officially opened the second week of June, 2004.
Second, while we might be happy to see the back of Romano's the reality is that we're probably not getting the Inn at Little Washington or even Komi. We'll probably end up with an IHOP or something.

RoseAG said...

That's too bad about the Macaroni Grill. I've traded in credit card points for gift cards there several times and had enjoyable meals. They revamped their menu a year or two ago, adding some lighter choices and I liked to go there because it wasn't as heavy as it'd been originally. Probably the lighter portions drove away their steadier customers.

I hope the Viet place upstairs stays. I love their crepe.

terps88 said...

Hopefully the new tenant has outdoor seating and gets rid of the tacky lick and stick stone facade.

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