Sunday, February 19, 2012

Now, Piratz Tavern's Journey to the Dark Side is Complete


When I first heard that Piratz Tavern had been re-branded as "Corporate Bar and Grill", I thought there must be some mistake. In the era of the Occupy movement, could you pick a less off-putting theme for a business located in a fairly liberal locale like Silver Spring? How about the TaliBar?

Despite my skepticism, the new signage revealed last night confirmed this rumor:


I understand that perhaps a pirate-themed bar wasn't viable in the long run, and the place wouldn't have made it on Bar Rescue were some sort of change not needed, but I can't think of a way they could have possibly alienated their current customer base more than this. It's as if the bar was unsuspectingly featured on Punk'd instead of Bar Rescue. Perhaps there is a level of irony involved here that my non-mustachioed self can't possibly comprehend.

Unsurprisingly, some of their (former) customers aren't too pleased, based on yet-to-be-deleted comments on Piratz's Facebook page:



Anyway, they had their soft opening last night, during which the "reveal" portion of the Bar Rescue episode was filmed. Thayeravenue.com has some photos taken last night of the bar's exterior and of the rear patio.

And here's a shot of Corporate's menu, taken by Twitter user @Fedinsider:


While I don't fully comprehend the new strategy, I do hope it works out for them. I want to see local Silver Spring businesses succeed.

One bit of advice to the owners, however: it is not advisable to send angry emails to local blogs demanding that they take down posts that simply convey (accurate) information that was posted on the businesses' official Facebook page. You could always just ask nicely if you have a legitimate reason for your request.

UPDATE: I highly recommend reading the comments left on a Facebook group established this weekend by displaced Piratz Tavern customers. (Note that you'll need a Facebook account to access the page.)



110 comments:

Anonymous said...

My impression is that folks from outside of the DC area think of DC and surrounding areas as all about suits and thus the corporate image. Little do they know that, that part of Silver Spring is an arts focused area located within a liberal, progressively minded Montgomery County. The demographic is incompletely missed, from the image and name, to the menu itself. "Corporate" maybe more aesthetically pleasing than Piratz but not anymore demographically on target than Piratz and maybe more out of place.

Anonymous said...

I give "Corporate" no more than 3 months.

squirrelist said...

I walked by last night and talked to someone from the show for a few minutes. They said that as soon as they leave, the owner can do whatever they want. And from I've heard, she is not happy with the changes at all.

I expect the old bar to be back in some form. Hopefully with a few changes though. I think that the food does need an improvement or a price drop. And I think that they do need some beer on tap.

wombat said...

A lesson in never giving up creative control... This is such a complete bummer. They definitely needed a makeover of the food, and I imagine they figured, free TV publicity, what could go wrong? Um, right.

I would love to see them go back to the old theme, but if the place has been completely redone and assuming they did this because business was slow in the first place, I wonder can they afford to re-redecorate?

Sligo said...

More irony: there is a vintage smoking stand in the entrance to a place where no smoking is allowed.

Anonymous said...

Cheapest starter is $9? And burger is $11, plus $4 for fries? No thanks. I think Ray's and 8407 are both $10 for a burger that includes fries.

Anonymous said...

Not Ray's. The burgers range between $8 and $14 depending on size and toppings. The fries are $3.

Anonymous said...

This says $10:
http://raystheclassics.com/Images/BISTRO%20MENU%204-09-11.pdf

Whatever, the point is that this Corporate place seems on the high side, when compared with two of SS's nicer restaurants. While I don't mind paying for a nice meal, I'm not sure I'd be willing to do so at a place like Corporate.

Anonymous said...

Good freaking lord. Has anyone actually been yet? Does anyone have any idea what this place is about or do people like to just bitch and moan no matter what? Piratz sucked. This place should be better by default. We'll see after a couple of months how its identity settles (hopefully a new name change, which everyone seems to be hung up on - as if it matters).

Anonymous said...

We should get a group of people together to dress up like pirates, invade the corporate bar, and take it back!

Anonymous said...

We should get a group of people together to dress up like pirates, invade the corporate bar, and take it back!

Like in Monty Python's "Meaning of Life," when the old guys commandeered a building and attacked corporate headquarters. I'm down with that.

I hope the owner ditches this concept and goes back to a pirate bar.

Patrick Thornton said...

I can't help but think this new name and concept is a giant middle finger to the old place and customers. I think that is intentional, and the show must think that the old regulars were hurting business.

The name is odd and only works if it is done ironically. Maybe this place will become known as CBG like RFD is known as. That would be a lot more palatable. The sign would work a lot better if it were CBG in huge letters and then the name spelled out below.

Having not been there yet, I'll reserve judgement. From what I saw when I walked by the place, it looks a lot nicer and more inviting. Piratz had just about the worst front area you could imagine and very unfriendly once you walked in if you weren't a regular.

DC is not a corporate area, and I'm not quite sure the show creators get that. DC is certainly a hub of politics and related fields, but New York and other cities are much more corporate. The corporate parts of the region are way out in Virginia and up the I-270 corridor. Discovery is a creative company that employs a lot of creative people. I wouldn't exactly call another one of our large employers -- NOAA -- corporate either.

I'll give this place a shot. The old Piratz was not working, and the people who think that Corporate will go back to being Piratz are delusional. That place was months away from going out of business and was not popular with locals (many of the people who went to Pirataz were from all over the place, but not that many from DTSS).

This new menu looks like a good start, but it will need to expand in the future. I'm curious to see what the beer selection is like.

At the end of the day the owner of this place has to ask herself: Do I want to make money or do I want to have a place where people can dress up like Piratz? Is this a business or a hobby?

Anonymous said...

The new menu looks like the last thing DTSS needs. We have plenty of restaurants that serve upscale food. What we need are good bars.

The menu is the real middle finger here.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The new menu looks like the last thing DTSS needs. We have plenty of restaurants that serve upscale food. What we need are good bars.
The menu is the real middle finger here.


How could the menu of the restaurant be a middle finger? That's an absurd comment. Obviously Piratz wasn't working. They changed their name and hopefully the service. They also changed the menu. Yes, Silver Spring is very liberal and very progressive. However, it is growing, and the more expensive high rises and such that come in, the more moderate the future clientele. To say that one of the changes, which is intended to set itself up for future success, is a middle finger is as stupid a comment as I've ever heard.

Anonymous said...

The new name is a fail. And the fact that it's not a "bar" is another fail. I thought the show was bar rescue, not grill rescue.

That being said the new name is 100000000000 times better than whatever the hell "piratz" meant. Really entertaining to watch all the regulars (who clearly did not patronize the place enough to keep it afloat" freak out about this

Anonymous said...

The menu obviously will change (or at least I hope). It was probably thrown together in a couple of days by the show's producers, who probably have some generic options for all of the bars that they "rescue."

Anonymous said...

There's no way that's the full menu. It's just the soft opening's menu, I'd assume. There's like 4 things on it. Has no one been to it? No one knows how many taps there are, etc.?

Anonymous said...

There's no doubt that Piratz was a failing business, given what has just happened, but it is not fair to blame that on the people who, liked me, enjoyed going there. There simply weren't enough of us in and around DTSS, which is too bad. My wife and I enjoyed Piratz. It was unique and different, and obviously the people who regret seeing it go feel the same way. Maybe one day Silver Spring will be the kind of town that can support a Piratz, and a Babe's, and all sorts of places that cater to different tastes.

As for "Corporate," the name is off-putting, to put it mildly. Which is not to say it's not worth at least one visit to find out whether or not you like it. Still, "Corporate," in 2012, with all that's going on in this country? Even if it's ironic, which seems likely, it's a joke that falls flat.

Anonymous said...

The corporate name just sounds odd. Its not appealing. But then again neither is "piratz".

Im glad the defenders of this place don't bother addressing the horrific service, terrible clientele, overpriced food, bad bartending and generally horrifically depressing atmosphere as to why this may have gone south

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why everyone is so upset. There has been no change here, whatsoever.

Corporate execs = pirates. 'Nuf said.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGv59oGRl5w

WOW. I'll Sure miss this. Not depressing at all. NOPE.

Casual Observer said...

The bigger joke is the $15 dollar bulleit manhattan when a bottle of bulleit costs $25 dollars... I guess it is a really expensive ice cube.

Anonymous said...

That IS pretty bad. But to be fair DTSS is littered with places that offer "food" and drinks that are way too pricey for what you get:

Anything in Red Lobster, Austin grill, and Macaroni grill for starters. How about the wretched Asian bistro?

I wont even get into Galaxy charging you any money to be in there when they really ought to be paying you to show up

Sligo said...

All negative reaction has now been scrubbed from Piratz's Facebook page, which is still for Piratz Tavern, not Corporate Bar and Grill.

Anonymous said...

Glad to see that they can't take any honest criticism.

Although I really dont like Piratz, or the creepy people who went there: they should be allowed to complain and have their voices heard. What is this, Germany 1933?

wombat said...

The degree of vitriol here is fascinating. Clearly Piratz wasn't for everybody, but I had no idea it made people so downright furious.

Anonymous said...

I have to ask...has anyone actually been to the new place? The new patio looks amazing. This may have a shot when the weather warms up.

Unknown said...

The times that we went to the Tavern we had quite acceptable service. And we were not in 'costume'.

What we can see of the exterior design (is that sign for real - it is so outsized for the space and material), interior design through the windows (all high tops?), and the used-car-salesman of a host (although he really isn't even up to that level of douchebaggery), lead me to believe that they decided what they were going to do before even looking at the space.

Yes the costumed clients were a little over the top on occasion, but now... This is a bland boring statement. The new name is a statement. What it feels like is "be boring, bland, spend too much on drinks, conform."

Why would one go here where there is no soul when one could go across the street to the Quarry House Tavern where you know _exactly_ what you will get.

Yes the restaurant needed 'saving' and I wish that she had gotten Robert Irvine and Restaurant Impossible to do the job. Even thought Irvine hates dark and is not a fan of 'kitch' I really believe it would have been a refresh, as opposed to this gutting.

With all that, I'll be checking the new place out sometime after it has settled down.

Lee said...

It sure looks like a lot of the "hated Piratz" comments are coming from people (or a person) posting as Anonymous, so I would take them with a grain of salt.

I liked Piratz. Was it perfect? No. But it was enjoyable, especially after you had been there once or twice and had it "figured out".

If/when Corporate changes back to Piratz, I'm not sure what they could do to bring in more clientele, though. I may need to think on that one.

Anonymous said...

Most of the commentators on this blog post as Anonymous so I don't see why that means their opinion is invalid.

I don't see why anyone who doesn't like something around here is dismissed or labelled a troll. It IS possible that Silver Spring needs massive improvement in certain areas.

And it is also possible that the Piratz idea was a bad one to begin with as evidenced by their failing business and horrible reviews on Yelp. Should we ignore everyone on Yelp too?

I for one love the look of the new place (not the name) and think the Patio is an incredible improvement. This may not work, but is definitely a step towards having modern decent attractions that will make DTSS somewhere people want to go

Anonymous said...

Owners seem to not want any buzz on this. . . Posted on the Piratz Facebook page asking them about their draft beers and menu (my husband and I legitimately wanted to try out the new place) and my post was deleted.

Anonymous said...

Can't we just all get along?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_29IeEeZqo

Anonymous said...

Wow. Looks like the owners are as sensitive as their clientele were.

Anonymous said...

WOW! I can tell from the blogger all the way down to the Bloggies, that NON of you have the balls or the money to build a business let alone run a business. It truly amazes me how much negativity there is in Silver Spring and how poor of a community you really are, not to support the small business folks who are spending their own money to help out the local communities is foolish. You should all be ASHAMED of yourselves and grow a pair. You sound like a bunch of hypocrites. I am willing to bet non of you could run a successful business in this community let alone contribute the moral support needed for those who do. You sound like that going to a place once or twice allows you the right to bash it. Whatever happened to if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it. Do you folks ever consider thinking of the families who put their hearts, souls and money into a business and the employees you hurt by Bashing or bullying as the FEDS like to call it now. The real heroes are those folks who take a chance with their money and try and build a business that fits a need and brings jobs to a neighborhood or more important a community.
The fact that you bloggers are quick to bash should say it all. You are not a community and have no idea what or how a good community works.
Support this restaurant owner because she is trying and give her the respect she deserves for helping the area grow. If you supported her Place before she wouldn't have had to make the change.

Isayaah Parker said...

I agree a lot of people are too hard on these buisnesses, but I won't be trying this place, it's off-putting. I tend to appreciate a more laid back environment and I don't have a corporate budget. I'm sure it's better than the prior. I tried Piratz once and was pretty much ran out of there from the unwelcoming vibe. Subscribe to this channel for silver spring humor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zl3Fo54MQs

Patrick Thornton said...

I'm going to have to agree with Isayaah on this one. I was pretty much run out of there by an unwelcoming vibe (and a lack of service) when I tried the place. We do support local businesses, and many of us rave about them to our friends from the area. I could not in good conscience recommend Piratz to anyone I know.

Pirate them aside, Piratz had serious issues, and it's not a charity. We did our part by not supporting a business that we felt didn't meet our needs and expectations.

I will be giving the new place a fair shake, and I hope that it's great. If I enjoy it, I certainly will be back.

Patrick Thornton said...

On a different note, I walked by Corporate tonight and looked inside a bit. The theme is definitely ironic, complete with demotivational posters on the wall. I think the idea is for people in the area to come on lunch and after work to blow off steam and have fun.

If the place has good food and drinks and helpful service, it could be a good place. I'll give it a try for sure. And hooray for draft beer (and autoserve beer taps at tables).

There was a sign that said it would be reopening soon. I wonder what the hold up is and how long until the place reopens.

Anonymous said...

Have any of you ever watched Spike TV...what did you expect???

Anonymous said...

Times are a changing. I'm not saying I like them, or I like Corporate.

But, there once was a place in Silver Spring called Champion's Billiards. It is what is now Joe's Record Paradise. The place was concrete with a top over it that I'm sure a full strength storm could wipe out easily. Anyhow, the place had about 30 or so pool tables. It served beer, and something called food. Although, I'm sure the people in this area now would debate whether it was fair to call it food.

The place never closed. Open all night and every single holiday. You had to wait for a table on Friday and Saturday nights. Business was good. And there was a diverse population there - black, white, hispanic. Defintely had a working class feel to it. Mostly men there. Very few women.

I loved the place. I loved playing pool while drinking a beer at a reasonable price.

I keep hearing how people want this or that in the neighborhood. Guess what; the neighborhood is conforming to what you are. This isn't a working class neighborhood anymore. It is a place that has high end tastes. You want a grea bar, but this neighborhood isn't the 20 something crowd people think it is. This area is a mix of young and old families with a lot of upper 20, young 30 professionals. That is why Champion's Billiards isn't here. You may want it here, but there just isn't the support to make it stay.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I don't understand why everyone is so upset. There has been no change here, whatsoever.

Corporate execs = pirates. 'Nuf said.


Since when is being successful a bad thing? Just because our current political leaders like to vilify them doesn't mean its right. I intend to work my butt off to become one of those corporate executives one day.

Anonymous said...

"Since when is being successful a bad thing? Just because our current political leaders like to vilify them doesn't mean its right. I intend to work my butt off to become one of those corporate executives one day."

Good god, the commenters aren't vilifying corporate executives. Some people here are merely criticizing it as the theme for a bar. I also would not find it appealing to have a bar themed on an auto line or custodial services or dairy farming or OWS protest or whatever.

Which is an obvious distinction. Which means you are just looking for any hook, however spurious, to justify spewing your irrelevant political views.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous 10:49, those were wise comments. It is the nature of things to change. Champion Billiards sounds like a place I would have wanted to go to. Piratz was a place I did like going to, and I always brought out-of-town friends there, and they loved it. It was a friendly and funky place.

But like you said, things change, sometimes for the worse, sometimes for the better.

Anonymous said...

Now that I think of it, given Sligo's photo for this column, maybe they can ditch the whole "Corporate" nonsense and go for a the cantina out of "Star Wars.

In fact, it would be perfect. This is from Wikipedia:

The Chalmun's Cantina (often called the Mos Eisley Cantina, the Star Wars Cantina) is a fictional bar (cantina) of the Star Wars universe located in the "pirate city" of Mos Eisley on the planet Tatooine.

Star Wars and pirates in one package. What more could you ask for?

Sligo said...

Re: Champion Billiards

When I was in high school we hung out at Champions (or "Champs"). It was one of the few places where teens could go in Silver Spring on a weekend night. That, and it had the only Mortal Kombat machine in Silver Spring.

I could be wrong, but I think the downfall of Champs may have been related to the introduction in MoCo of the smoking ban. The entire customer base was heavy smokers. You couldn't see three feet in front of your face.

Anonymous said...

Again hilarious. Shame on us for not supporting a terrible business that had terrible service, food, atmosphere and generally treated its non regular customers like crap?

Yeah, its our fault when businesses half ass it like a hobby and fail.

Isayaah Parker said...

Speaking of restaurants, I just went to Rays the Classics on the advice of someone here to get a Hellburger. Usually I trek to the DREADED VIRGINIA to get a Hellburger. Upon entrance, I was FLOORED at how delicious the host was. I wish he were on the menu, but I digress. Then upon sitting at the bar, I was SHOCKED at the attractiveness of the bartender as well. My burger was amazing but it was cooked well when I ordered medium. I was starving so I ate it anyway. I bet he misinterpreted my order due to the fact that it was rather loud in there, the staff was making a huge deal out of a few light bulbs that were out and everyone had to hear about it, not to mention the drunk men next to me discussing their love affair with the Fillmore. Good thing is, the bartender gave me a free scrumptous hot chocolate. (However, I wanted him to enjoy my hot chocolate) It was also nice to see a lot of families coming out of the Fillmore, Cody Simpson or someone was there today. I enjoyed my evening on Skid Row and realized it's not so skidish after all. Planet Bollywood looked nice on the inside, though it was closed and Sobroso as well, though no one was in there. School of Rock has a healthy membership as I kept seeing boys with guitars coming out. Question: Does anyone know what that abandoned underground space on Fenton across from LA FITNESS by Golden Flame restaurant used to be? It's a glass enclosed escalator descent that leads to someplace....

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"Since when is being successful a bad thing? Just because our current political leaders like to vilify them doesn't mean its right. I intend to work my butt off to become one of those corporate executives one day."

Good god, the commenters aren't vilifying corporate executives. Some people here are merely criticizing it as the theme for a bar. I also would not find it appealing to have a bar themed on an auto line or custodial services or dairy farming or OWS protest or whatever.

Which is an obvious distinction. Which means you are just looking for any hook, however spurious, to justify spewing your irrelevant political views."




Piratz = corporate is a shot a corporate execs. It is also criticism for the theme of the bar because of the attitude toward corporate execs. Let's call a spade a spade. Why else would they be against this theme? Geez, a little sensitive to this be calling this out, eh?

Sligo said...

Isayaah Parker:

Go to the archives for your answer.

Anonymous said...

Let's call a spade a spade.

I agree. In this case a spade is a tool that should take his political crap to redstate or michellemalkin and not try to make our criticism of a bar theme into the next fabricated culture war.

Anonymous said...

Love the huge leap in assumptions being made here about my comments on corporate execs....Michelle Malkin and red state. You got it. Spot on. I've been outed. Ron Paul for President!!! (Sarcasm...although you are pretty good at seeing things for what they are, so I wouldn't have to say sarcasm after that, would I?)

Anonymous said...

Sligo- me 10:49.

The smoking ban did cause problems. If I remember correctly they went out of business before the full smoking ban went into effect. I think smokers were banned to the back section.

I, also, never minded the wait for tables because it gave me time to play some pinball.

But, I still think if the place magically reappeared as it was it would fail in this neighborhood. This place just doesn't doesn't have enough working class folks, or just out of college types, to support a pool hall. People are dreaming of a hip DTSS that just isn't going to materialize. This place is more suited for places like FS1, McGinty's, Cooper Canyon, and Austin's Grill.

Quarry House is an anomaly. It would be very hard to replicate in this same area with any kind of success. And, honestly, it is a completely different place than I ever remember it being. It used to be a place for mostly older men mixed in with some of the younger crowd. Speak up if anyone remembers an absolutely gorgeous waitress there who always wore her cheerleading outfit. It always seemed like it was day before the business would fail. Thankfully, it managed to deal with the changes that came.

Anonymous said...

When I was a little kid and would say something like "I don't like broccoli" my mom would ask have you ever tried it. If the answer was no, I would be forced to taste it before forming an opinion. It is shocking to me how many people have formed an opinion about a new bar they have never set foot in. Kudos to the open-minded, artsy, liberal bar-going patrons of Silver Spring.

dcgrrl said...

A makeover is what it is, but that 'Corporate' signage is just bland. I'll be really interested to see who this is supposed to attract. I don't often go looking for faceless suit and tie types when my workday is done.

Alex said...
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Alex said...

1. I still agree with the biergarten idea. That concept is hip in Brooklyn and in this area, H Street and U Street. Knock hipsters all you want (and God knows there are reasons to) but in terms of knowing what's working well in terms of night life, they're a good lead to follow.

2. The sign for the bar looks like bad Clip Art.

3. You get corporate clients (with big wallets) by having hype in terms of location and quality...usually location near power centers and a hyped chef. You don't do it by calling yourself corporate and charging a lot for mediocre sounding offerings. Seriously...iceberg wedges? That appetizer ship sailed twice, once in the late '50s and once a few years back.

4. Agreed. The word "corporate" is the equivalent of a seriously tarnished brand right now. It's the height of stupidity to name a bar "Corporate" anything. Even done ironically, this is a ludicrous idea.

5. A $15 Bulleit Manhattan? Good grief... I'm almost positive you can get the same thing (with Dolin Rouge) at Sidebar for $9. And a decent Manhattan is NOT served over ice...sorry CBG.

6. Nothing wrong with posting as anonymous.

7. As far as the anonymous person bashing anyone who ever utters a negative word about small and/or local businesses...all I can say is, HOW DARE YOU?!?! Seriously, just because a place is locally owned, it is exempt from any critical appraisal? Really? If a local couple opened a mud pie bakery selling homemade crust filled with real mud, should I say, "Oh, it's yummy...it's local." I'm sorry, what part of presenting a good product do you not understand about business? God knows I hate "corporate" bars and restaurants more than just about anyone I know, but the idea that all it takes is for some local business to open and then have everyone kiss its ass because it's local is an offense to every customer you hope to serve. It's pretentious, derisive, monstrously self-entitled, obnoxious, and thoroughly insulting to any clientele you hope to attract, and if that kind of attitude is the best local businessmen can muster in this area then we're probably no better off with local business folks like yourself than corporate establishments.

8. Thank God we have a number of awesome local places like the QH, Jackie's, Sidebar, Paccis, Mandalay, and 8407.

Patrick Thornton said...

Almost all mixed drinks are $9 at Jackie's ($6 at happy hour). I'm pretty sure a Bulleit Manhattan would be the same, and yes Jackie's has Dolin Rouge and Dolin Blanc for their drinks. Very good stuff.

The only mixed drinks that are more than $9 at Jackie's are ones made with really expensive aged spirits. i.e. not Bulleit.

Maybe it really is a great Manhattan -- I don't know, but $15 is steep, considering that one of the best mixed-drink places in all of the DC is right down the street. I'm not a Manhattan drinker, but I was unaware that they came served over ice (gin Martini is my mixed drink of choice).

But I will give Corporate a try. I can't judge a place before I try it, and from what I've seen from peaking in, it might be a pretty cool place to get a beer.

The theme is ironic, and I think it's important to get that. It's not actually a celebration of people wearing suits.

PatrickThornton said...

I stand corrected: You can serve a Manhattan over ice in an Old Fashioned glass. It would just be uncommon to see it done in a martini glass. I would assume CBG is using an Old Fashioned glass.

I'll have to give a Manhattan a try some day.

Springvale Roader said...

Note to neophyhte Manhattan drinkers: ask for rye instead of bourbon. Much tastier.

On a related topic: the idea of paying $15 for a cocktail is enough to drive me to drink.

Anonymous said...

The only place I've paid that much for drinks outside of NYC, Paris, or places like Vegas is Dirti Martini. And while a lot of the food is overrated (it's not bad just overpriced) the Dirti Martini is actually quite good and worth it.

And the Vesper they make is worth it too. Probably the best Vesper I've had in years.

Anonymous said...

7. As far as the anonymous person bashing anyone who ever utters a negative word about small and/or local businesses...all I can say is, HOW DARE YOU?!?! Seriously, just because a place is locally owned, it is exempt from any critical appraisal? Really? If a local couple opened a mud pie bakery selling homemade crust filled with real mud, should I say, "Oh, it's yummy...it's local." I'm sorry, what part of presenting a good product do you not understand about business? God knows I hate "corporate" bars and restaurants more than just about anyone I know, but the idea that all it takes is for some local business to open and then have everyone kiss its ass because it's local is an offense to every customer you hope to serve. It's pretentious, derisive, monstrously self-entitled, obnoxious, and thoroughly insulting to any clientele you hope to attract, and if that kind of attitude is the best local businessmen can muster in this area then we're probably no better off with local business folks like yourself than corporate establishments.


Perfect. This goes for that other sychophant suck up nerd who defends anything horrible about DTSS and calls anyone with a negative opinion the "NOVA Troll"

Countess Fifi Von Wigglesworth said...

I liked Piratz Tavern (well enough) though I must agree that:
1. food was so so & overpriced
2. there was some odd rennie/pirate nepotism thing going on
3. a little customer service goes a long way

that being said, the owner is a really nice lady and I hope things work out successfully for them.

Anonymous said...

I'm still hoping for a biergarten as well. It would set them apart from the other spots in the area and perhaps become a destination for people coming from outside DTSS. I've had good, fancy cocktails at Sidebar and 8407. What I haven't had at those locations or anywhere else in DTSS is a 1 LITER STEIN OF GERMAN BEER while sitting outside!

Anonymous said...

biergarten, biergarten, biergarten

I too love the idea of drinking a LITER STEIN OF GERMAN BEER. Hell, I would no doubt drink that inside as well.

Too bad neither the owners of piratz tavern or the producers of Bar Rescue polled residents and workers in the area that would have actually wanted to spend their money at that place.

I still wish the owner the best of luck. Unfortunately, when you cater a business to a select few clientele that happen to not have "corporate" wallets, it's not hard to imagine that a place like Piratz could not survive.

Anonymous said...

I had been there twice, and while the drinks were great, the service is awful. Both times I was harassed about my ethnicity by one waiter in particular. After the second time, I decided to let the manager know, and she was completely unapologetic and just said that they "are pretty open here". That's great your staff is open, but if you they are clearly making customers uncomfortable the issue needs to be addressed.

Furthermore, this manager, who looks like a washed up prostitute, was extremely unfriendly upon entering the restaurant.If you're not white, don't bother with them.

Vagrarian said...

It's just so surreal...the "Corporate Bar & Grill" thing is like something from Mad magazine or off of "Family Guy" or something.

Terry in Silver Spring said...

How about lobbying them to change the name to Chompy's? That could be a nod to both Discovery and NOAA.

Anonymous said...

Is it wrong that I'm giggling at the people crying on the Tavern facebook page?

If thats wrong then I don't want to be right....

Anonymous said...

Based on that Facebook page, it looks like one of the Piratz waitresses was your soul-mate, Sligo:


Kassy Poppet Hunt

"So if the tavern needed to do a 180, why did we not become a ninja bar? i coulda worked with that."

FWIW, she was one of my favorite Piratz servers (just never refer to her as a "wench").

Sligo said...

Or she stole my idea!

Anonymous said...

Walked pass tonight around 8:30 and they were open. Saw about 6 people inside. The host was wearing a pirate hat!

xj said...

I liked the idea of a pirate bar and went there from time to time, but the execution of that idea was horrible.

As everyone points out the service was horrible. If you weren't a regular, forget it. Ill treatment of outsiders would work fine at a private members only club, but it doesn't work as a business model in a pricey rent area in downtown Silver Spring.

The food was sub-par. There are a hundred better dining options within a few blocks. The appetizers tended to be things that were hard to share with friends in a bar. The Corporate menu sounds interesting, but I doubt the chef at Piratz could construct a meal worthy of the list prices.

Everyone listed their faults with Piratz on Yelp and similar sites, but the owner never seemed adjust to those complaints.

I wonder if the bar is truly capable of change.

I still think they should have Piratz night once or twice a month, so I can get drunk and call the women wenches.

Anonymous said...

I took a walk through the bar last night. Very brightly lit and no music. It was very quiet. There were a number of pirates at the bar and not any apparent after-work types.

Anonymous said...

lol. Piratz still showing up. That's not sad at all.

Anonymous said...

"but I doubt the chef at Piratz could construct a meal worthy of the list prices."

The show brought in a new chef/fired the old one.

Anonymous said...

The Pirates theme has come and gone - but that doesn't mean a theme is a bad thing. What about a speakeasy theme after Boardwalk Empire? Classic drinks, easy dress up, and better food? Or The Shark Club - with whatever theme you want, 60's, Tiki, corporate raiders/lawyers? It would be cooler to say "Lets hit the Shark Club, then "Lets go to the Corporate".
What DTSS needs is dive joints that local bands can play in. Half Moom BBQ had no decor, poor food, and some of the greatest small bands you would hope to see live. Remember Sleepy LaBeef? Good times. We need to support locally owned small business. So try Corporate once, help them out, support Silver Spring businesses.
And if you think you can do it better . . .

Patrick Thornton said...

Jackie's Sidebar is essentially a 1920s speakeasy themed bar.

Themes are fine, but restaurant owners need to learn to walk before they run. This means good service, good staff, good food and good drinks. Themes wear off really fast when the actual place itself isn't very good.

Corporate Bar and Grill is a theme, by the way.

My advice to CBG/Piratz would be to learn to walk first. Sort our your service issues. Start making good food. Have drinks that resonate with locals. Do the basics first.

If you read a lot of the pro-Piratz comments out there you'll notice that most of them are coming from people who don't live in Silver Spring, let alone DTSS (VA, Baltimore, NJ, and other far away places). A bar needs to resonate with locals, and Piratz never did. If people in 20910 aren't coming to a bar in 20910, it will never be successful.

Anonymous said...

I stopped by "Corporate" tonight, but couldn't bring myself to spend money there. That would be validating the whole "Corporate" idea (or theme, if you prefer). I couldn't do it. It's repulsive, from the faceless a-hole in a suit design to the name itself. Ironic or not, that's not something I want to support.

A beer garden would be great. There are plenty of good ideas out there for a new bar. But "Corporate"? No thanks.

Anonymous said...

An authentic Spanish tavern with real Spanish food and wine from Spain would be a great addition to DTSS. I'm talking real tapas and spanish sandwiches like in the taverns in Spain, not to be confused with Mexican or any other Latin American country. We have plenty of those in SS. I think folks would be surprised and quite taken by authentic Spanish food and vino.

Anonymous said...

You know what's repulsive? A tacky childish pirate theme taken way too far with people in character 100000 percent of the time and taking it so far that like real piratz they are surly and give off crappy useless slow service.

Nevermind that the atomsphere in that place was sad and depressing as was the decor.

I wont even get into how anyone not dressed like a child or a super nerd was essentially treated like shit.

I see all the positive comments are the usual over the top "WE LOST OUR SOUL" blah blah blah. Those people couldn't be bothered to spend money to keep the place afloat.

The theme does NOT work.

Anonymous said...

I wont even get into how anyone not dressed like a child or a super nerd was essentially treated like shit.

In all the times I've been there, with all the people I've gone with, we were never treated badly, and we were dressed conventionally.

Maybe it was your attitude. It's fascinating how angry you are over the fact that some people are eccentric and like to dress up as pirates.

Anonymous said...

I wont even get into how anyone not dressed like a child or a super nerd was essentially treated like shit.

In all the times I've been there, with all the people I've gone with, we were never treated badly, and we were dressed conventionally.

Maybe it was your attitude. It's fascinating how angry you are over the fact that some people are eccentric and like to dress up as pirates.

Anonymous said...

Right, I'm angry about how they dress, but there isn't vitriol and just general anger at anything corporate or well lit ?

Yeah, the anger is all one sided.

Go look at yelp my anecdotal friend: and check out how many terrible reviews the service got. And btw all the new 5 star reviews are people off the facebook page who are trying to save it by putting up bogus reviews of the place. Check out the aggregate and then tell me I'm "angry"

Also the vitriol was in response to the post whining about hating on "corporate" above my post.

Anonymous said...

I hope this strategy fails utterly and totally. I liked Piratz the way it was, and me and my friends had a lot of good memories there over the years. I liked the food and their mixed drinks and didn't care that they didn't have draft beer. If you want draft beer, go to some trendy yuppie microbrew place where people give a damn about that stuff.

The owners deserve failure for destroying an awesome, original, different concept and replacing it with this pure unadulterated crap courtesy of some idiots from the Spike network. A Starbucks or Mickey D's would be preferable to this sheer garbage. Once again, I wish the owners failure a million times over. That is all.

Anonymous said...

"I hope this strategy fails utterly and totally. I liked Piratz the way it was"

Waaaaaaaaaaaaah, wahhhhhhh. It's not the same shitty place it was before so I'm going to stamp my feet and hope the owners file for bankruptcy. The woman already lost her freaking home, but god forbid she change the failing concept to try and, you know, survive. What an ass - go to hell.

Anonymous said...

Yep, that's my whining, and I stand behind it shamelessly. They ruined once of my favorite places, so they in turn deserve ruination.

I have absolutely no sympathy for the owners and will work to spread the word to boycott this new abomination (and leave them negative reviews on online sites like Yelp) so that it can't sully the memory of the formerly great place that once occupied that building. So...so... so there. :)

Anonymous said...

"(and leave them negative reviews on online sites like Yelp)"

That's the free market for you. Vote with your dollars to send a message.

Anonymous said...

Wow. Pretty nasty views from both sides here.

I liked Piratz. I never had a bad experience there, and I'm sorry it's gone. I'm sure the owner would have kept the bar as it was if she could, but obviously, the business venture was failing, and she needed to change.

I thoroughly dislike the new concept, and have no desire to go there, but I don't wish the owner any ill. Why should anyone want someone else to fail? The thing to do, if you don't like this whole "Corporate" junk, is to contact the owner and ask her to reconsider.

However, let's not wish financial ruin on someone just because we don't like how they've changed their business.

Patrick Thornton said...

Piratz, the way it was, was about to go out of business. The owners didn't ask Bar Rescue to come in to help their bar because they wanted to take it from good to great. They asked for Bar Rescue's help because they were going to go out of business. Nobody is trying to spite anyone.

Will the new place help? I don't know. It doesn't seem like the staff, owners or regulars are taking to the changes well (based on what I see on Facebook). My prediction is that it will be a at least a semi-pirate place later this year and out of business before 2013. I hope I'm wrong, but they really need to get behind something and give it 100 percent of their attention and passion.

I hope the owners succeed. I'd love for a great bar to be there, but unfortunately the place now seems schizophrenic (it is mixing Piratz and Corporate Bar and Grill). Maybe they just need a few weeks to figure it all out.

Anonymous said...

"I hope this strategy fails utterly and totally. I liked Piratz the way it was, and me and my friends had a lot of good memories there over the years. I liked the food and their mixed drinks and didn't care that they didn't have draft beer. If you want draft beer, go to some trendy yuppie microbrew place where people give a damn about that stuff.
"


Going to spread the word to boycott the place: To his four friends.

no wonder dorks get their asses kicked in school.

Pete said...

Not long ago it was the bottled-beer drinkers who were the yuppie jerks and the draft drinkers (by the pitcher, thanks) who were more, um, 99%.

Maybe they can combine themes and become a "corporate raiders" bar.

Patrick Thornton said...

How about a Corporate Raiders of the Last Ark bar?

Lots of people like beer/draft beer, and most of them are not yuppies. I'm not even sure if you can live in Silver Spring and even be classified a yuppie.

The term yuppie originally referred to an urban professional in a major city that worked in law, finance, investment banking, as a doctor, as a professor or, perhaps, as an engineer. This person would have money, like fine things but would also be liberal. A professional typically refers to someone with a professional degree, i.e. law degree, medical/dental degree or MBA degree.

Today, yuppie has come to be a meaningless pejorative thrown around by people with little command over the English language.

"On my Gawd! You didn't enjoy our pirate-ish themed bar? You yuppie scum!"

And then, most of the people criticizing yuppies make being a yuppie sound better than being themselves.

"You like nice beer and going to bars that have good service and are welcoming? You're such a yuppie! I prefer places with terrible service, bad food and no draft beer. I especially like it when no one serves me."

Anonymous said...

Patrick with the "socially inept dork smackdown"

Well played sir.

Michael said...

Can't say that I ever went into Piratz before to make a valid critique of the place. The name and exterior decor were offputting to the point of squashing any curiosity and I don't get Renaissance Fairs, Pirate Role Play, or any other sort of LARP.

Having a place you like to go to is great. However if not enough people like going and the place goes under how in the world can you expect the owners to keep doing what their doing? That makes no damned sense.

Opinion: Piratz was fun to go to because it was so so different.
Fact: Not enough people went to support it possibly because it was so different.

The owners didn't open a place so you'd have a place to go to, they opened to make some money.

Anonymous said...

the above anon probably gets laid. Often. Hence the not understanding any of that.

Anonymous said...

It turns out, 1 month was it. Piratz sign and logo are back up as of 3/19/2012...

Anonymous said...

i hope she fails the woman was a idiot..

she lives in her parents basement with her boyfriend and 17 yr old hahahaha..... i live in balto and got to drive down there and make fun of that goofy staff...

Anonymous said...

I am really giving the side eye to anyone that is passionate about pirates. It's just lame and completely out there.

Anonymous said...

I can't help but wonder how many of these asinine comments are by bar staff...if that many of you were visiting Piratz, then why were they failing? If you want a place to party with your pals, drink at home. IF YOU OWN A BAR, YOU ARE OPERATING A BUSINESS. If you cannot get over your inner twelve year old, get the f**k out of the business. I went in October 2012 on a trip to Silver Spring, and the place was trying to aspire to the level of "farce". Rude staff, HORRID food, and a deluded owner. How can any of you say Corporate was a bad idea when that batty owner abandoned ship before it could even leave port?

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