Monday, July 25, 2011

Silver Spring News 'N Notes

- It remains to be seen what will ultimately replace Borders in DTSS, but for a time at least it will serve as a temporary home to the recently-opened Fillmore Silver Spring preview center, scheduled to move out of its digs in the back room of what used to be Ceviche. Why move? Because that space will soon be occupied by Ichiban, a Japanese steakhouse. (Not sure if this is a chain or not, as it's the most generic name possible for a Japanese restaurant.) Also moving again: Artspring, perhaps to the same place, though I'm not really sure.

- A deer got capped on Silver Spring Avenue last month. Guess someone really likes their hostas.

- Fuddruckers may serve the (self-proclaimed) World's Greatest Hamburgers®, but they also employ the World's Worst Proofreaders®:





47 comments:

Anonymous said...

About the burger chain's proofreader: Are you sure it isn't the Silver Spring Patch editor's second job?

Anonymous said...

I wish downtown Silver Spring could manage to get a 5 guys

Anonymous said...

There are few things as entertaining as a spelling or grammar mistake in a post criticizing a spelling or grammar mistake. Fuddruckers is not a possessive. Maybe you were making a subtle joke and I missed it.

Sligo said...

Touché, though my mistake was simply a result of unfamiliarity with the name of a establishment I don't frequent, though the (low level of) irony is not lost on me.

Also, I am not a corporation that posted a large printed sign with a misspelling of an elementary-school-level word like "banana" on a window facing a heavily-traveled street...

ForestGlen said...

Sheesh...who doesn't know how to spell bannanna?

Anonymous said...

Japanese steakhouse sounds cool. Hopefully they're able to overcome the awkward, upper level, hidden corner space. And hopefully they're a top 100 restaurant like Ceviche was.

Anonymous said...

I don't know if they're related, but I use to frequent an Ichiban in Williamsport, PA. Glad to see something going into the Cerviche space - but why didn't they fill it right away? Is DTSS that hard to attract businesses to? If so, with Pier 1 and Borders leaving, our future is bleak.

Anonymous said...

Why would we need a 5 guys when you can get much better burgers at the same price in the bar/lounge area of Ray's?

Anonymous said...

"Why would we need a 5 guys when you can get much better burgers at the same price in the bar/lounge area of Ray's?"

That's like asking why would we need more than one bar, since we can get a beer for the same price at Austin Grill. Sometimes it's nice to have variety and not eat at the same place over and over and over. I like 5 Guys, and I also love Rays, but their burgers and the places are different - in taste and atmosphere. Good to have variety so you can eat at different places depending on what type of mood you're in that day.

Cambro said...

5 guys would be nice, but my vote is for a Chop't or Sweet Greens - both are great places and DTSS could some healthy options too, given some of the rotund people I've seen around DTSS.

Springvale Roader said...

Nice that the Ceviche space is getting filled, but what about that vacant store on Colesville Road, near the liquor store? The one that sold health care products and had a big photo of a kid holding an asthma atomizer? That place has been vacant forever.

Anonymous said...

So we lose Ceviche that was an upscale hip place for a generic japanese steakhouse.

go silver spring.

Anonymous said...

...because you have any idea how good (much less "generic") the steakhouse will be? what a whiny douchebag.

Anonymous said...

P.S. maybe Ceviche would have lasted if they offered a happy hour that lasted beyond 6 or some real seating. Hopefully the new place doesn't cram a bunch of ottomans together and try and pass it off as seating.

Anonymous said...

Anyone know of any lounge-y kind of places in DTSS, or close to DTSS, other than 8407?

Isayaah Parker said...

I concur @ Springvale Roader, I have noticed that eyesore vacancy as well and always wondered why that space was never filled. I could have sworn American Apparel was closing but it's still there so I guess not. But if that had happened that would have really made that corner bleaker than it already is. I always said that space would be perfect for a Walgreens. And I honestly don't see the Japanese steakhouse lasting longer than a year if the Morroccan place couldn't make it and Ceviche couldn't either. People don't come to downtown silver spring for that type of dining. They come for a quick soul-less bite out of national chain generic style eating. (immediate downtown silver spring)

Anonymous said...

lounge-y place: Sidebar. Yum.

Anonymous said...

I am tired of reading all the negative rants about DTSS. Anyone out there who's actually involved with changing the landscape? It seems that the majority just like to complain, especially about City Place. If you don't like what DTSS has to offer then invest the $$$ and make your vision happen.

Anonymous said...

Sidebar. Thanks for the tip.

Anonymous said...

Also to the genius. You should read up on the owners comments on why ceviche area. He basically said the area is too low class to support a high end place.

Clancy said...

Ceviche failed not because of its location, but because it had a terrible business model. It wasn't that it was too high-end for the area, but that its management did very little to let people in the area know what it is they did that was special for the above-average expense of the dining experience. There are several restaurants in DTSS that are comparable in price and dining experience that have done just fine.

The fact that the other two restaurants on the upper level have survived despite the disadvantages of not being in "great locations" lends credibility to the belief that there was something wrong with Ceviche, not Silver Spring. While I'm not a fan of any of these restaurants, I'm willing to give the new restaurant a chance, especially if they do sushi (please, please, please).

Anonymous said...

Last poster: can you name any other upscale establishments in silver spring?

I know of one: kitchen bar. Beyond that......it's pretty low rent around here.

And to the one anonymous- I agree. We could use a chopt or something more healthy given all the beached whales running around downtown lately.

Sligo said...

Rays The Classics? Jackie's?

Anonymous said...

8407, jackie's, rays the classics, mrs. K's...all upscale. Frankly, how many more do we need?

Anonymous said...

rays the classics is upscale?

wow. just wow.

Sligo said...

Ok well please define "upscale" and tell me how many of these restaurants are in Bethesda, the Greatest Place on Earth. I can think of a handful, maybe,

Anonymous said...

I really don't understand why certain people live here. This isn't Penn Quarter or Georgetown and it never will be - and that's fine. Is there room for improvement? Definitely. But the area has come a long way and right now I can walk to Pacci's, Olazzo, kitchen bar, Rays, Adega, Cubano's to name a few favorites and then grab a drink at sidebar, quarry house, fs1 or babes. Some of these places can improve, and I wish there were even more options, and i'm sure more will be coming in the coming months and years. This is a growing area. If you wanted to live in an area that is already established then you moved to the wrong place.

Finally, for all of those who hate silver spring so much, just leave. Why waste your life living in an area you hate? Kind of sad for you. Right now the favorite activity for many of you seems to be to go online and whine and cry and whimper about where you live. You can do that, free country. But again, it's kind of sad that you live your life this way because you're wasting it.

Clancy said...

I never claimed that Ceviche was upscale, so I can't and won't speak to whatever it is that defines a restaurant as such. However, many of the restaurants cited after my comment would probably be included in my list of those that are in the same pricing scale and dining experience. I was thinking specifically of 8407, Ray's, & Jackies when I posted it. I've never actually been to Ray's or Mrs. K's (frankly, I can't recall ever seeing more than two or three parties at Ray's whenever I walk by--so I'm continually amazed that they stay in business), so can't really speak to them. I still haven't tried Pacci's (I know, I'm terrible), but might agree that it's in that range as well. Not so sure about Cubanos or Adega, since I haven't been to either in a long while.

However, I'd also agree that Ceviche was hardly a high-end restaurant in the vein of what one could find in Georgetown or Chevy Chase. I guess that my main point wasn't that Ceviche was too good for Silver Spring, as there are similar restaurants here that are successful, it just had no idea how to market itself for the area. Cases in point: Did Ceviche ever bother to reach out to the local bloggers or press? Did Ceviche do tastings during the Farmers' Market? Did Ceviche even attempt to put up advertising on Ellsworth to just let the casual diner know that they were there? (Some of these are real questions to which I don't know the answers.) In the end, these are failures of its management, not the location.

Anonymous said...

If you want "high-end" places you have to attract "high-end" chefs. And from watching countless Bourdain episodes on Travel Channel top chefs will set up shop practically anywhere. So the question is, how does DTSS market itself to be a fantastic destination for these kinds of chefs? So people, instead of dissn' DTSS at every turn lets come up with some positive aspects of DTSS and market those.

Terry in Silver Spring said...

Art Spring is moving AGAIN? I love that shop. You can get really nice gifts for people there and help the art center. Peterson needs to give them a break and let them stay in one place for more than a few months.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, a half-dozen upscale places is fine by me. If Society ends up being upscale, that's fine too, but we definitely don't need to add a bunch more (or change much of anything about the crazy-good restaurant scene in the area).

Anonymous said...

To anonymous at 10:10pm, yes - Ray's the Classics is upscale.

It's a steakhouse with entree prices running in the $30+ range. If that doesn't meet your definition of "upscale," please provide the definition you're using.

And to the poster who said s/he's never seen Ray's crowded - I don't know when s/he passes by, but when I've been there it's been quite busy. There's a whole big room of the restaurant that's not visible from the street, btw.

I truly don't understand people who complain about the restaurant scene in SS. I say that as a born and raised Chicagoan, who's lived in NYC. Silver Spring has some of hte best restaurants in the DC area.

I'd say the scene in SS is far better than what's available in the District. For such an expensive city, I've always been appalled at how awful the dining scene in DC is - and don't get me started about the piss-poor service...

Anonymous said...

Art Spring is moving AGAIN? I love that shop. You can get really nice gifts for people there and help the art center. Peterson needs to give them a break and let them stay in one place for more than a few months.

Peterson has given Artspring a break since it's inception--as in CHEAP RENT. Having to move from one location to another within a small area is a small price to pay for CHEAP RENT. Peterson does get the benefit of not having an empty retail space in between tenants, but to say that they need to give ArtSpring a break shows how easy it is for people without doing any research to assume the big bad developer is so mean to the eensy-teensy non-profit art group. Hogwash--Peterson was quite generous and while the loss of ArtSpring (temporarily they say) is unfortunate, you cannot blame it on the landlord who is in the business to makea profit (and took much of the risk to develop DTSS when nothing was here).

Anonymous said...

It's amazing to me all these folks on here wanting more and more upscale restaurants. I wonder how many times per month the complainers would actually spend $150 for dinner for two at an upscale restaurant. It's one thing to want them, it's another thing to patronize them. Instead, we should rally for more medium-priced restaurants that we would patronize frequently. Frankly, I'd give my right arm for one of those Greek owned diners like they have in Arlington (and get rid of the ridiculously overpriced for what-you-get Silver Diner).

Isayaah Parker said...

LOL @ someone actually thinking Silver Spring has "the best dining options in the DC area" We all take pride in Silver Spring but that is a bit of a stretch. And to say DC has horrible dining options is rather unfair and also inaccurate. We can love SILVER SPRING but lets not be DELUSIONAL. There is room for improvement, personally as a food critic, I haven't been too impressed with some of the places glorified on this blog.

Anonymous said...

Isayaah is correct. It seems that DTSS is populated with thin skinned people who live in a bubble of delusion.

First of all as for definitions Ray's is not uspscale. It might have good food, but that's not what defines it.

Upscale is the atmosphere, the service, the type of people who go there, the level of chef (high end) working there, the upscale ratings the place gets, the CLIENTELE (lol at wearing torn up beaters in an upscale restaurant -yes this happens there). I mean seriously guys- stop being delusional.

Kitchen bar and jackies are the ONLY places that make an attempt to have a design asthetic and an atmosphere that could be defined as 'upscale'. Please stop being delusional.


As for Bethesda: I dont know how many upscale places but even their mid tier restaurants have a classier atmosphere than the types of dregs that frequent DTSS establishments.

And double lol@ getting excited about being able to grab a drink at Fire station 1 or babes. Just look at the yelp reviews for those two holes, or better yet go and laugh at all the thugs and crackheads that hang out at Babes.

Anonymous said...

Oh my god, dude. Stop coming on here every day to bash silver spring. What the hell is wrong with your brain chemistry?

Anonymous said...

And there is definitely no single area of DC that has what DTSS can offer re restaurants. We have literally 100s of restaurants from dozens and dozens of countries. That said, the restaurant scene in DC has gotten about 100x better than it was even 10 years ago, so hopefully they can keep that up. And yes, Ray's is upscale. See my credit card bills as proof. Sorry we don't bow tie it up in DTSS.

Anonymous said...

"double lol"

um.... okay. Seriously, get a life. You're obviously a sad little man/woman. double lol! Punk.

Anonymous said...

if you can't argue against someones criticism you start crying about it.

"oh my god dude..."

What are you 10 years old?

Sorry people dont have the same views as you and don't defend everything that's not great about Silver Spring to the death.

I DO think the restaurant scene overall in DTSS is damn good. It's just not upscale. There's a huge difference. But it is very nice and I like it very much. Quite a bit of variety.

But as for retail problems? Yes DTSS has them no matter how much you want to pretend it doesn't

Anonymous said...

The neighborhood associations surrounding silver spring should get together and put out on-line surveys asking locals what kinds of stores/restaurants they would like to see in SIlver Spring. Most of the associations have listserves that would make this relatively easy. Then, (assuming sufficient responses) they should take that data to the developers. This is what was done up on Colesville Road (where the Trader Joe's is). Even in a tough economy, there is lots of disposable income in the area.GIve the people what they want!

Anonymous said...

The restaurant scene in DC is awful. I don't think anyone who's ever lived in a real city doubts this.

There are some delicious places, usually very expensive, scattered around the downtown area - Rasika springs to mind.

But beyond that, the options are pretty bad. There are lots of the usual fast food or other "casual dining" chains all over the place. But when it comes to interesting, consistently good independent eateries, they're few and far between. And even the mediocre places are really pricey. The service across the board is pretty poor.

I've had to return more food for being wholly inedible in the 4.5 years I lived in DC than in my entire life cumulatively to that date. I'm talking about hot food (e.g., Thai curry) that comes out like it's been sitting in the fridge for an hour. I'm talking about ordering a hamburger and asking for medium-well, and it comes out pink and bleeding (no one in DC seems to understand how to cook meat.)

Look at Columbia Heights - the new restaurants they opened in the new apartment/condo buildings have all sucked. So much so in fact that most of the original ones have gone out of business. Check out what people on Prince of Petworth have to say about Commonwealth (horrible service, tolerable but way overpriced food) and The Heights (largely the same). Social is gone. Now there's Lou's, which looks about the same, and a freakin' IHOP.

There are only a handful of good restaurants I like in DC: Red Rocks (really good pizza and antipasti), some sushi place in the Palisades whose name I can never remember; Duplex Diner (basically for their outstanding mac & cheese; the rest of the food is just OK); Haydee's (more for the atmosphere, although the fajitas & margaritas are decent); Dukem for excellent Ethiopian. Thaitanic (both the original Logan and the one in Columbia Hts) is also a good bet, as is El Rinconcito II in Columbia Heights.

I've eaten all over the place in DC. For a city of almost 600,000 (hell, even if you just limit it to NW), the good options are few and far between. Pretty much everything in AdMo is crap for frat douchebags and tourists. There's almost no decent Mexican (I'm from Chicago, and for me this is a huge fail for DC). Same for Chinese - the best I've had in DC is, weirdly, Great Wall on 14th, which looks like it should have a plexiglas window.

Silver Spring, which has perhaps 30,000 people in the downtown core and vicinity, has a lot of good options. Jackie's, Sidebar, Ray's, Mandalay, Thai of SS, Mrs. K's, Olazzo, Quarry House spring to mind - and there are others that aren't immediately coming to mind.

Anonymous said...

so wait- good food has to be "independant eateries"?

You've never eaten at Minibar, Atlantico, Komi, adour, cafe du parc, 2941, jaleo, oval room, obelisk, raskia etc? I can name quite a few more...

The fact that you list Olazzo and QUARRY HOUSE as amazing food means you're simply trolling. QHT is interesting bar food (tators are nice and all) but really? You really want to sell that as great food? Olazzos is pretty good too but nothing special.

Ray's is very generic. It's just a good deal and the steaks are good but is this honestly great?

I will say Mandalay is excellent as is the old thai store in SS.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of spelling - Walking home from the bus stop on Kalmia (at Georgia) today I noticed that at the end of Kalmia where it turns into Eastern Ave (at the KFC/TacoBell) the street sign reads: KALIMA. I'm serious. Check it out.

Isayaah Parker said...

I am royally laughing out loud at the person who claims Quarry House has amazing food. LOL!!! Other people are around me and they are laughing as well and they are all silver spring residents. Olazzo is another place that is glorified on here and I can't seem to understand the hype. Pacci's is not the best pizza on the planet, I'd prefer Matchbox or Pasta Plus in Laurel. Rays is another glorified restaurant, I've had a decent steak and burger once or twice but it's not exactly deserving of a feature on NO RESERVATIONS. #Delusion. Some of you need to travel BEYOND SILVER SPRING and discover good eats. There are far better Ethiopian places, far better Thai places in the area. Silver Spring is NOT a foreign restaurant mecca like some of you NON-WORLDLY white people deem it to be. Excuse my language but someone needs to speak the truth on here. Many of you haven't gone beyond the cookie cutter silver spring token international places to really be deserving of an opinion.

Anonymous said...

STFU Isayaah and enjoy living out in middle of nowhere laurel. No one bashes QH and gets away with it! But seriously, stfu, no one thinks you're a food connoisseur except yourself, so stop pretending like your opinion is better than the rest of us (who, you know, actually live here and not bumfudge laurel).

Pam said...

They put in the extra N for "nutrition."