Saturday, February 19, 2011

Police Shooting Downtown? - Colesville Rd. Closed Between Spring & Georgia


All sorts of police activity downtown tonight, as there was an apparent police shooting on Colesville earlier this evening. Colesville is presently closed between Spring and Georgia.

According to a Twitter eyewitness, the officer shot the man after the suspect refused to drop a knife he was holding. (No Taser?) Of course, that's just what's on Twitter, so we'll have to wait for confirmation on the details.

(As I type this I am hearing the sound of a police or news helicopter hovering. Whenever I hear that I know something bad is afoot.)

Update: It all started in City Place...

Update #2: The Post has more:
The shooting occurred about 5:15 p.m. outside the City Place Mall on Colesville Road near Georgia Avenue, said police spokeswoman Lucille Baur.

The officer was patrolling in a car when he came upon a dispute between two men. One of them yelled that the other was armed with a knife, Baur said. The officer ordered the man to drop the knife, and came between him and the other man, Baur said.

The officer "put himself in harm's way," Baur said. The man "refused to drop" his weapon and the officer fired, she said.

The man was pronounced dead at the scene. He was not identified immediately. No age was given.

Baur said the man's weapon"was recovered and was determined to be an icepick." It was not clear how or whether the man was holding the icepick when he was confronted. But the officer "knew he was armed," Baur said.

The nature of the dispute between the two men could not be learned. Baur said that investigators believed that it began inside the mall and continued on the street outside. It was not known if the two knew each other.




40 comments:

Anonymous said...

According to the Patch the person shot by police has died

Anonymous said...

I don't see where it says that on the Patch, unless you're perhaps not looking at their main page but at a more-frequently updated Twitter feed. The site I see hasn't been updated since 6:47.

It's just after 8pm, and looking out my window I see the cop cars still there blocking off the street.

Anonymous said...

Wait, it looks like Patch updated at 7:52, just as I was posting.

Apparently the shooting took place in Shitty Place. What a non-surprise.

Can't wait for Sligo's response.

Big Bubba said...

Here's a description of what happened -
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/local-breaking-news/person-hurt-in-confrontation-w.html.

I heard from somebody in a closeby restaraunt that the fight involved up to 20 people. Take it with a grain of salt.

Anonymous said...

The troublemakers always resurface when the warm weather comes around.

Sligo said...

"The troublemakers always resurface when the warm weather comes around."

Like stink bugs.

Opportunity LOL said...

Scary!

Anonymous said...

Well the weather has warmed up....bring on the ghetto!

Anonymous said...

Is this what it's going to take to get Shitty Place Mall closed?

Giulia said...

Thanks for alerting us. But you know, every time I come over here & read the comments, I am filled w/dismay. "Ghetto" ? Ugh. (I know it's not you, SSS, it's "Anonymous.") It really brings down the quality of the blog & I don't want to recommend it to people in the area.

Anonymous said...

Closed? Who really thinks closing city place will help silver spring overall? It's a hulking chunk of dated retail space at the center of our hood. It would do no one any good to lock its doors; it needs a real anchor and better tenants.

Re shooting, I feel bad for everyone involved. Certainly a black eye on DTSS.

Patrick Thornton said...

Mr. Leggett,

Tear down this mall.

Anonymous said...

Tear down City Place, lay down some astroturf and we've got our green space back. There you go.

Anonymous said...

"lay down some astroturf and we've got our green space back."

You know green space isn't defined by it's color, right?

Re shooting: sounds like maybe the cop overreacted - I think that's the only story here. As for an altercation between two people, I don't really consider that "ghetto" - that's just what happens every once in awhile when you're dealing with 70K+ people. I'm shocked that it ended with an officer killing someone though. I'll wait for more facts, but it def. seems like a situation that's usually handled with less than grievous results.

Anonymous said...

Let's chill on the "cop overreacted" nonsense. I find that unlike another MD county, Montgomery County police are extremely professional and cautious. The cop must have felt threatened to shoot. Despite the ignorant viewpoints of many, 99 percent of police take their occupations very serious and avoid lethal action at all costs.

It is unfortunate that this happened, and we don't know all of the details, but perhaps the gentleman now dead should not have been walking around with an ice pick. Just a thought to counter against liberal MD's "love the criminal" mindset.

ForestGlen said...

"perhaps the gentleman now dead should not have been walking around with an ice pick."

That doesn't give the police the right to shoot someone. I'm sure a good macing would have been sufficient.

Anonymous said...

Mace? Seriously? Yea, good luck with that. Not effective unless the person is very close, and even then, it's not guaranteed to work.

Look, this guy was asking for trouble. He attacked a security guard inside City Place, then refused to obey multiple orders from the police officer to drop the ice pick. An ice pick is a deadly weapon, and the officer had every right to respond with deadly force. The criminal could have prevented all of this by not being an idiot. Don't defend the criminal.

By the way, patch has the criminal's name -- 26-year-old guy with no fixed address (homeless?).

sk8 mom said...

Is that an icepick in your pocket or are you happy to see me?

Monkey said...

I guess that's one way to beak the ice...

Anonymous said...

Hey - this is totally uninformed speculation, but I'm wondering if this is the same homeless African guy I've seen for the past several weeks sitting with a duffel bag in Panera, and occasionally walking up and down Colesville.

I noticed him a few weeks ago because he was at Panera literally every morning that I walked by, usually sitting in a seat right by the door. I haven't seen him in a couple of days.

Anonymous said...

Elysiansmiles said...
Yeah, when a police officer is brandishing his gun at you and telling you to drop your weapon, and you're not complying, you're beyond the point of mace.

You know what would be awesome? Regular uniformed police on foot patrolling Ellsworth pretty much all the time stuff is open there. It was mentioned last time something happened, and its just as applicable now.

Anonymous said...

"Just a thought to counter against liberal MD's "love the criminal" mindset."

You moron. Can you not read? I said "I'll wait for more facts, but it def. seems like a situation that's usually handled with less than grievous results."

Just because you're a "love to shoot people in the head and not ask questions" conservative retard doesn't mean you're allowed to make things up. If someone was in imminent danger of his "weapon" that's fine, but obviously if the cop started shooting up the area for no real reason then he's just as bad as the gangbangers that I'm sure you think DTSS is filled with.

Patrick Thornton said...

I'm not sure why people are saying this is excessive force. It's far too early to tell that, and there has been nothing reported that suggests that. I guess some people just love to jump to conclusions and indulge conspiracies.

If what the police reported is true and what many witnesses are saying is true, than the cop did the correct thing. If you assault a security officer and are engaged in a heated argument with a fellow citizen while you are brandishing a deadly weapon, what is the police officer to do? Wait for you to attack another person? Only shoot you after you have stabbed someone?

The officer's first responsibility is to protect the citizen who was about to be attacked. He did that. His next responsibility is to subdue the suspect. When the suspect refused to drop his weapon, the police officer was left with no other choice than to act.

His job is to bring this situation to a close ASAP. Why would he try to use mace on someone with a weapon? An ice pick trumps mace in this situation.

The officer is not supposed to needlessly endanger his own life in that situation. Anything less than a gun would have left him vulnerable to being over taken and possibly killed.

Some people are saying why didn't he shoot to injure instead of kill? Any shot can kill. If you hit someone in the leg in the wrong way it can kill them. And in this situation his job is to bring the suspect down ASAP, and not worry about the subject's safety. In addition, trying to selectively aim for an arm or a hand leaves open the possibility of missing the suspect entirely and hitting an innocent bystander.

It's possible what has been reported is not 100 percent accurate. If so, I'll adjust my thoughts. But, as far as we know with this situation, we received the correct outcome.

A man attacks a security guard and threatens others; he is carrying a weapon; and then a police officer brings him down. What more could you ask for? It sounds like the police did exactly what we pay them to do.

Anonymous said...

Of course you don't use mace. You tase the shit out of the guy and laugh as his dumbass head smacks the ground. I have no idea the outcome of the investigation, but there certainly needs to be one considering the reports I've seen say they don't even know if the ice pick was brandished, much less that the guy was being threatening with it. The officer has the same responsibility to not endanger the public, just like everyone else. If it wasn't a deadly situation, then the officer shouldn't have turned it into one by firing bullets in a densely populated area. We'll see what the investigation turns up, but I'm not going to automatically assume that the officer should have started shooting over an icepick.

Anonymous said...

Some of you might find this odd but many of the new style larger cell phones might be seen has a handgun from a distance so the lesson here is to do exactly what the police say unless you want to die?

I don't care what any of you say this person should not have been killed. Also what if the officers bullet missed and struck the innocent by stander? I have been a resident of DTSS for the past 15 years and I see nothing positive ever coming from City Place now or in the future.

Anonymous said...

OK, now this is funny -

This was a link on patch.silverspring.com this afternoon:

News in Review: Police Officer Involved in a Shooting and Debate over Silver Spring Library Bridge

I immediately thought of this blog.

LMAO

Anonymous said...

I saw more details on tonight's NBC4 local news. The guy who died was a senior at Bowie State University. He allegedly assaulted the security guard in City Place Mall after he was in an employees-only area and refused orders from the guard to leave. He had been in a motorcycle accident several years ago that may have affected his ability to think clearly.

And of course, his family has retained a lawyer and is likely to file a wrongful death lawsuit.

Terry in Silver Spring said...

"I saw more details on tonight's NBC4 local news. The guy who died was a senior at Bowie State University."

I saw several items about him on the local news, too.

He was a senior at Bowie State four years ago when he was in an accident that left him brain injured. Since then, he's heard voices and had a range of problems. At the time of his death, he had no fixed address. His sister was interviewed, saying she wants to make the Police Department pay for what they did and she went on a length about how much she cared for her brother. As she said that, though, I couldn't help thinking of his status as "no fixed address" and wonder when was the last time he had treatment.

From what the on-site witnesses said, the officer did not use excessive force. Everyone, including the officer, must wish this could have ended differently.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Tear down City Place, lay down some astroturf and we've got our green space back. There you go.

Sunday, February 20, 2011 2:37:00 PM

RE: I expect that BS Comment from Maryland Haters from Virginia that glorifies Tysons Corner Mall and Pentagon City Mall.......

Anonymous said...

Patrick Thornton said...

Mr. Leggett,

Tear down this mall.

Sunday, February 20, 2011 1:21:00 PM

RE: Wow another Maryland Hating Communist from Northern Virginia.....

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