Wednesday, February 24, 2010

Piney Branch and University Continues to be Epicenter of Silver Spring Crime

I'm not sure what else I can say about this, other than I hope they get what they deserve.

[An] 11-year-old female victim was walking near the intersection of Piney Branch Road and Carroll Avenue when she heard two individuals speaking to her in Spanish. The victim did not understand what they were saying as she does not speak Spanish and walked away from the two individuals. Shortly thereafter, the victim was in a park near Quebec Terrace when she was approached by the same two individuals who had spoken to her earlier. The two individuals took the victim to an apartment in the 8700 block of Carroll Avenue where they both raped her. After the assault, the victim immediately told her mother what had occurred and the police were notified. Based on the information provided, officers located the two suspects at the apartment where the assault occurred and took them into custody.
Some other heinous crime highlights from this area:

- Gang murder of 14-year-old on Ride-On bus
- Machete Rape
- Murder of convenience store clerk



41 comments:

joeliams said...

I'm not sure we can legally give them what they deserve.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad they were caught. I used to work in that area. :/

Anonymous said...

Quebec Terrace has been a problem as far back as the 80's.....as long as MoCo continues to play misguided Robin Hood and give out housing subsidies in concentrated areas (Takoma Park, Wheaton/Glenmont, South SS) you will continue to have street crime and depressed property values which in turn allow the county to dump more housing there. Bethesda doesn't have this problem because they don't allow the county turn their neighborhoods into cesspits.

I'd be willing to bet if you eliminated the HOC and used the 5-7 million dollars a year in savings for ammenities for county residents (parks, bike routes, streetscape improvements) and a police sub-station or two you'd see a 40% to 60% drop in crime in East County within a year.

Anonymous said...

This is what happens when you close duckpin alleys.

Sligo said...

Castration would be good.

Anonymous said...

aaaand....they were illegals
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/24/AR2010022405420.html

How much longer does the county need to cater to Casa?

Anonymous said...

The correct term is not illegal immigrants, it's "undocumented rapists".

Springvale Roader said...

I think I have the perfect title for George Pelecanos' next novel of murder and mayhem: "Quebec Terrace."

Anonymous said...

Is "has been a problem" the new "a lot of brown people live there?" What these guys did is heinous and inexcusable, but to call this area the epicenter of crime is pretty amazing. Let's just smear everyone!

Sligo said...

Who the hell was I "smearing"? No one said everyone who lives there is a criminal, only that nearly all the most heinous/shocking crimes in Silver Spring occur within a couple block radius of that intersection. The people that live there are the ones being victimized. Maybe we should just pretend it doesn't happen and let them continue to suffer because people like you think it is un-PC to acknowledge there is a crime problem.

Anonymous said...

Well this is from a 1997 report

"The Carroll Avenue/Quebec Terrace area is located in the
eastern border of Montgomery County, Maryland. The area borders
Prince George's County and the City of Takoma Park. Historically,
the area has been known as a high crime area and residents have
been victimized by drug related activity and violent crime for the
past twenty five years. In 1996, this area experienced an increase
in criminal activity and residents became prisoners in their own
homes."

http://www.popcenter.org/library/awards/goldstein/1997/97-44.pdf


So even the county has been calling in a crime ridden sump since '72....

Also of note, its public housing

http://mhpartners.org/rentals/quebec-terrace.htm

so these jokers were living rent free on my tax dollars...thank you Casa!

Springvale Road said...

@Anonymous 11:30

"so these jokers were living rent free on my tax dollars...thank you Casa!"

I share your outrage. Are there no bridges for these people to sleep under? Are there no sewers? Can their children not shelter together in cardboard boxes? It is one thing for them to wash the dishes in our restaurants and clean our yards and take all the other wretched jobs that real Americans ought to be doing, but to receive four walls and a roof to sleep under is beyond the pale!

Next thing you know, they'll be asking for food, as if starvation weren't good enough for the likes of them!

Anonymous said...

Springvale--
If starvation was an option for Americans, then perhaps they'd take those jobs....but as long as the government provides entitlements to the underclass they will be a growing bread and circuses burden on society that will bring it down in the end.

As I sit here listening to my Section 8 neighbors yelling at each other in the street again, I can tell you my personal belief is that we have constructed a society where there is no incentive for the poor to attempt to better themselves because big government will step in and make sure that as "poor little victims" they will never have to do more than breed more poverty, crime and filth.

There is a reason that Fairfax has more jobs, better paying jobs, better schools, higher property values, and a lower crime rate than Montgomery County....and a large portion of that is their tax structure and social spending are not set up to benefit the bottom end of the scale. Poor people cause social problems, and Maryland's and MoCo's governments are more than willing to spend money on programs that attact poor people....Virgina is not. Its sort of like how the District exported a huge amount of its social ills to PG county by using the twin forces of gentrification and social subsidy cuts.

Comming back to the issue at hand Prince William and VA in general made it very inhospidable to be an undocumented criminal, so most of them moved across the river to MoCo and Frederick where they could continue to exist comfortably. As long as we continue to reward this behavior (free housing, lax law enforcement, etc) we will continue to see illegals shoot honor students, burn old ladies to death in their houses, and rape little girls.

Springvale Roader said...

Anonymous,

I have no doubt that people across the income spectrum, from the poor to the very wealthy, abuse public programs. I also know that the worst crimes are committed by the poorest among us, and the wealthiest. Nonetheless, I'm not ready to live in a country that allows people to go homeless or hungry without any attempt to help them, especially when many of those people already work long hours for little wages and no benefits doing the dirty and exhausting jobs that are necessary for the rest of us to enjoy a decent standard of living.

Anonymous said...

Springvale-

If in fact those people can show documentable proof that they are working, then yes...Im willing to extend a temporary helping hand (emphasis on temporary). But for the vast underclass of citizens and the minority of immigrants who don't work....then I fail to see why my hard earned dollars should have to be spent to keep them out of the gutter. Tripply so for the criminal element.

Springvale Roader said...

@Anonymous:

If they are criminals, let them be judged by the system.

If they are not working (not uncommon these days, unfortunately), we can still ensure that they do not go without food or shelter, because that is not what this nation is all about, but we can expect something in return, such as public service. Regardless, with all the hundreds of billions of dollars wasted on wars and bailouts for fat cats, the last thing I'm going to complain about is minimal assistance to the poorest among us.

I'm not prepared to live in a Third World nation where the poor are left to die in the streets. Are you?

Anonymous said...

Springvale-

Once we start forcing them to do community service then I might change my mind about providing them food and shelter...but until then please stop stealing my money to pay for their sloth.

As to the bailout question, we spend more each year on HHS than we did with the entire bailout. Once you throw in other useless agencies like Labor and Ag (with its farm subsides) we blow trillions of dollars at the federal level essentailly on welfare....which is then added to at the state and local levels.

Having just spent the last 3 weeks in a developing country...the principle of get ahead or get dead seems to do wonders to create a growing capitalist society where anyone who wants a job can get a job, and anyone who wants to get ahead can get ahead. This is in staggering contrast to the news I read about Greece and France where due to huge entitlements, "help" for the working class, and government spending the countries have high unemployment, unmanagable debt loads, and zero growth rates.

Given the choice, yes Im fine with a little starvation the gutter. Thats the way it was until the later post-war period and the twin boondoggles of urban renewal and the Great Society...funny how that seems to be about when we started to fall flat on our face as a country then too.

Springvale Roader said...

Anonymous:

I would never want to live in the country that you envision.

Anonymous said...

Springvale-
Im sad because I will never get to live there either....instead I will get to watch the US slowly collapse under its deficit and entitlement driven weight if Im lucky, or suddenly implode in a road-warrior fashion sometime in my 60's when Im no longer able to compete if Im unlucky.

Springvale Roader said...

Cheer up, Anonymous. You and I have options. We are both free to move to countries more to our liking.

For example, I could always move to Denmark, and you could move to Somalia.

Anonymous said...

Sligo: I'm no mathematician, but can you quantify what "nearly all the most heinous/shocking crimes" means?

You posted three instances of horrible crimes in that area. Pretty sure I could find three similarly horrible acts just about anywhere as densely populated in the county.

I don't know a single resident in this neighborhood "pretending" that there isn't a crime problem. But if you also think the problem is being solved by righteous individuals like you branding a thriving community full of hardworking people with the label of "epicenter of silver spring crime," you're far more out of it than I expected.

Anonymous said...

Springvale-I don't know about that...do you meet all the requirements? http://www.nyidanmark.dk/en-us/citizenship/danish_nationality/conditions_to_be_satisfied.htm


Somalia would not suit me (and yes, I have seen the cartoon) I think in disliking my libertarian desires for a small government you ignore my fascist drive to have effective state.

Sligo said...

Well, as far as Silver Spring goes, when I think back over the past few years, the most shocking crimes did happen in that immediate area. Of course it's a minority of the people there actually committing those crimes. My saying the crimes occur there doesn't mean I am saying the residents are all criminals. I don't understand how you are interpreting it that way.

Anonymous said...

Fair enough. I love this neighborhood. I am sad that it has fallen into disrepair and that it has pretty much become Langley Park North. I just get a little overly sensitive about generalizations.

Sligo said...

Hey, I am disappointed, too. I grew up nearby and all the things I used to like about that neighborhood are gone: the Flower Theatre, Packett's Pharmacy, the Baskin-Robbins, the soft serve ice cream stand, Fontana Bowlarama, etc, etc. Now I have little reason to go there outside of the Giant Food.

Springvale Roader said...

Sligo, there was a Bowlarama?

A bowling alley is something I'd love to see in Silver Spring. Not duckpins, and not yuppie upscale. Just a decent bowling alley with a no-nonsense bar and decent grub, and no damned music until late at night.

Sligo said...

You live in Maryland and are saying duckpin doesn't qualify as "decent"???

Ed said...

Being poor is not an excuse for committing crimes, heinous or otherwise. In one radio report they said they thought there was an MS-13 connection to the perps.

My other question is, how closely do the people who manage those apts check the applicants?

Springvale Roader said...

Sligo,

I live in Maryland now, but my DNA is one hundred percent New Yawk.

That said, I'll settle for even a duckpins alley; I might even try it.

Sligo said...

Why not go to White Oak Lanes.

Lindemann said...

A bowling alley is something I'd love to see in Silver Spring. Not duckpins,

Right there is where you lost me.

Lindemann said...

So many fond memories of third-grade birthday parties at the Fontana Bowlarama, and summer cones at B-R. Walking up to the Long Branch Library on a lazy day off school. Now 11-year-olds gettin' raped up there.

I do occasionally go up near QT to eat at Samantha's, a fine establishment.

Anonymous said...

Springvale-

I give you contrast...between an economy that does allow for a little motivational starvation and our bloated disaster

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/27/business/global/27yuan.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1267266673-qVYIsBLMBB/iVLyR2EZhFQ

vs

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/26/AR2010022605994.html?hpid=topnews

Anonymous said...

Hey, I am disappointed, too. I grew up nearby and all the things I used to like about that neighborhood are gone: the Flower Theatre, Packett's Pharmacy, the Baskin-Robbins, the soft serve ice cream stand, Fontana Bowlarama, etc, etc. Now I have little reason to go there outside of the Giant Food.

That's unfortunate and I'm sorry they scare you. That must be a terrible way to live. I too grew up in the neighborhood and I love how the Flower/PB block teems with life now as opposed to the pre-white-flight days when the place felt deserted and forgotten.

Sligo said...

Sorry, but seriously STFU.

Sligo said...

Yeah, the abandoned movie theater really teems with life, doesn't it?

Anonymous said...

I grew up not far from here, kind of on the edge between "ghetto" unincorporated SS and "quaint" Takoma Park. Piney Branch and Univ. was never "nice" in my lifetime, but I walked around there recently and I was depressed by what I saw. I hadn't walked on foot in that area in years, but as I ventured from my car, I felt like I was in a third-world country or something. It wasn't even P.G. level. Time was that I wouldn't really feel out of place stopping at that 7-11 to get gas or a Slurpee, or using that Car Wash or going to nearby New Hampshire and Univ. for groceries or other retail. Not anymore. The area was low-income, but it still felt like I wasn't on the verge of getting jumped.

The only reason I got out of my car was to take photos of the former Fontana Bowlarama for a planned illustration, depicting it as I remember it. It looks like memories will be all we locals will have left of what the area of the PG/Mon/t County border neighborhood was like.

BTW, if anyone know where I might find pictures of the old Al's Transmissions sign (or the Burger King it once was long ago) that was on that corner, I'd be very grateful...

Anonymous said...

First poster said: Hey, I am disappointed, too. I grew up nearby and all the things I used to like about that neighborhood are gone: the Flower Theatre, Packett's Pharmacy, the Baskin-Robbins, the soft serve ice cream stand, Fontana Bowlarama, etc, etc. Now I have little reason to go there outside of the Giant Food.

Second poster said:

That's unfortunate and I'm sorry they scare you. That must be a terrible way to live. I too grew up in the neighborhood and I love how the Flower/PB block teems with life now as opposed to the pre-white-flight days when the place felt deserted and forgotten.

Note sure what era the second poster is referring to, but I totally agree with the first poster. In the 70's and early 80's, that area was reliatively low-income, but still decent. I never had saftey concerns riding my bike to Long Branch pool or the Library, I saw most of the movies of the first 15 years of my life at the Flower Theater, and regularly patronized the Baskin-Robbins, Packetts, The Jiffy Shop, Woolworth's and the bakery next to it (Alpine, I think was the name.) Oh, and let's not forget the CHina Royal, the best chinese restaurant I've ever eaten at. For "nice dinners" like on Easter or when visitors were in town, we even had Kushner's seafood. Until they died out, that Highs got just about as much of our patronage as the Giant.

Call me nostalgic, but now that the library, rec center, and the Giant are the only things left, I too have little reason to go back there. It feels nice to see familiar sights like the Miles Glass sign and the abandoned Flower Theater (which hopefully will be reborn as a real theater someday, rather than turned into a CVS or some such crap.) Still, that neighborhood was never "dead" when I was growing up, the Flower had a lot of business until the early 90's when they let it get really run down. While it may be "teeming with life" it seems much more dead to me now. Most of the businesses are either "Latin-only" type stores or are crappy things like pawn shops and check-cashing places. It feels like a slum, while before it felt at least like a mix of low-income and middle-income folks from various ethnic backrounds. It's not just white flight, I don't see too many black folks around there anymore either.

I don't appreciate what has happened to my home. I don't want everything to be "like Bethesda" (which I always felt was a little too precious for my tastes) but it doesn't need to become third-world either. At least downtown Silver Spring is better than it was in the mid-80s...

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