Monday, July 14, 2008

Silver Spring News 'N Notes

Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday. It looks like they can't hang a name on you anymore based on this photo from Silver Spring Daily Photo:

The crappy generic family restaurant is the latest establishment to succumb to the black hole of commerce that is Shitty Place.  It had a good run, though - it's been in that space for years, perhaps even since the beginning, though my memory fails me on this one.  Kind of belies the whole "chain businesses are driving all the independent shops out of business" argument when it is the chains that are shutting down around town.  Silver Spring's Ruby Tuesday, Bombay Company, Storehouse Furniture, Jerry's Subs & Pizza (and maybe now Steve and Barry's?) have all taken dirt naps in the last couple years.  Seriously, can someone provide me with examples of independent businesses (particularly GOOD ones) that have closed and been replaced by a chain in the same space?  No, Rostas (now T-Mobile) doesn't count, because for one thing it is coming back in a space previously occupied by a chain.  Maybe the rug shop became the American Apparel, but I can't think of much beyond that.

- Why does every article about a restaurant or bar in Silver Spring have to be prefaced with the BS assertion that Silver Spring is all chain restaurants?  Also, where are all the "strip malls" in downtown Silver Spring to which the author refers?  From the top of the Quarry house stairwell, the author of this article could look in any direction and spy only non-chain restaurants.  But, of course it's always easier to stick with the conventional wisdom that "Silver Spring is all chains because one block of Ellsworth has some and anything else is an aberration".

- Remaining on the subject of chains, I just noticed for the first time tonight that a Smoothie King franchise is going in on Fenton Street between Ellsworth and Colesville.  Now we have a place to get our $5 smoothie on.

- Ok, my effort to start up a Rock Band night crashed and burned, yet the freakin' Silver Spring library is hosting a Guitar Hero tournament???

Something seems sketch about this concept... Guitar Hero at the library?  This has to be some kind of ploy to make kids read or something, like the guy at the state fair who makes you a balloon animal and then forces you to learn about Jesus in return.  You bet your ass that if they hadn't hastily scribbled the  "ages 11-18" rule on each of the flyers, I would have been rolling up in there next Monday, though.

- Veridian Nazis.  I hate Veridian Nazis.

- My wife said she witnessed a big fight at the corner of Ellsworth and Fenton last Friday evening.  Anyone know what was up with that?  Apparently the photography-preventing security guards were standing around and not intervening untill the combatants actually came to blows.



88 comments:

Jimmy Bingo said...

That's funny, I hate Illinois Nazis

Anonymous said...

Again, What is the real reason behind the Hatred of Chain Restaurants in Silver Spring..

Is it because it attracts people from other parts of the DC area to Silver Spring????

or

The so calll locals prefer unattractive low budget independent restaurants(with strange names) that turn people(from other parts of the DC area and DC tourist) away from venturing to Silver Spring like it was before the Revitalization of Silver Spring?????






Takoma Park is right down the street from Silver Spring that doesn't have any Chain Restaurants which doesn't mean that Silver Spring has to suffer the same way....

There are other parts of the DC Region(especially NOVA) that is doing well with Chain Restaurants mixed in with a few Independent shops so again why should Silver Spring should stick out like sore thumb with no Chain Restaurants its not like chain restaurants is driving people out of Silver Spring and for the people that make comments that the chain stores are chasing out independent stores is telling lies because its not the chain stores that are running them out its the independent stores that are FAILING TO ATTRACK CUSTOMERS AND THEIR FAILURE TO ACCOMIDATE THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS.......

Anonymous said...

"Maybe the rug shop became the American Apparel, but I can't think of much beyond that."
The rug store moved to Seminary Road, so it didn't go out of business.

Ruby Tuesday fell to the City Place curse, though it took a long time. Just tear City Place down, turn it in to offices, anything other than what it is!!!

Anonymous said...

Where in Takoma Park do people go to eat? I never venture there as I always hear about crime in the area..

Sligo said...

Takoma, DC might have a lot of crime, but Takoma Park, MD not so much. I just ate at Mark's Kitchen last night and really liked it.

I'd like to take the corner of Carrol and Laurel in Takoma Park and move it about a mile down into Silver Spring.

Anonymous said...

Ruby Tuesday went out of business probably because customers didn't like having to walk through thug-ville to get to the main entrance of City Place Mall. The best thing that could happen to that corner is to remove the bus stops.

And the food sucks. And customers have lots of other places to choose from to eat now.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 1:44, Independent restaurants help Silver Spring maintain diversity and uniqueness. "Sticking out like a sore thumb" isn't a bad thing when it keeps you from looking like Every Other Town in America. Its part of what "attracks" (LOL) me to SS.

Anonymous said...

A few observations:

1. There are a few construction workers at the Veridian that worship Nazism and Hitler. Disturbing. The last thing we need is Nazis spreading their filthy, racist propaganda.

2. Ruby Tuesday was a victim to the local tastes. Crappy food and crappy service. If I wanted that, I would prefer to visit the Tastee Diner.

3. More PG County and DC (Georgia Ave.) trash causing trouble along the Hellsworth corridor. Shocker. You want the hooligans from the 'hood gone?
1. Shut down City Place.
2. Shut down the Majestic cineplex.
3. Tear up the green turf and start constructing the Silver Spring civic center.

Problem solved.

-IHateYuppies-

Sligo said...

I don't know if even those guys go to City Place. It's usually a ghost town in there.

Springvale Roader said...

Oh, those indie restaurants with their ster-range names like Adega and Abol and Ghar-E-Kabab and Mandalay and Olazzo! There food is so good, but golly, can't they have normal names like Applebee's or Friday's or Moe's Family Feedbag?

If all it takes is an unfamiliar restaurant name to keep the yahoos out of Silver Spring, then I'd be happy if every restaurant name was as goofy as "Bombay Gaylord."

Sligo said...

Funny, I almost referenced Moe's Family Feedbag in the original post.

Springvale Roader said...

Look, a deer...wearing sunglasses!

Anonymous said...

I patronize both chains and indies. But they need to be GOOD. Many people around here seem to think we OWE the indies our business, regardless of quality.

Or cleanliness. We've been fans of Moorenko's Ice Cream since it opened, going there several times per month even during the cold season. But lately it has become DIRTY -- I mean, ugly crud on the walls and windows, nasty tables. I've left e-mails and phone messages for the owner, but heard nothing. We made several more visits, but it remained dirty. So now, we won't go there anymore. We'll probably go to Cold Stone; it's expensive and not always super-clean, but better than Moos. And far better than Ben & Jerry's -- a chain that I never hear anyone complain about, probably because they see its founders as politically in tune with SS and therefore immune to the chain stigma.

dan reed said...

"3. More PG County and DC (Georgia Ave.) trash causing trouble along the Hellsworth corridor. Shocker."

Seriously? The last thing we need is to act like we're better than anyone who isn't from Montgomery County. I'm not saying kids don't cause trouble on Ellsworth, but what good does it do to bash Prince George's and the District the same way that everyone else bashes Silver Spring as a "chain-filled wasteland"?

Anonymous said...

Yes, Moorenko's has gone really downhill. I don't know what's happening. Last time I was there I found out they weren't serving their signature dish anymore (the one that they still have a big blown-up article about in their window). They were also out of whipped cream. And hot fudge. What kind of ice cream shop runs out of these things? The store was completely empty. And over half of their usual flavors were wiped from the menu board. The person who served me had no interest in providing good customer service.

Ed said...

The fight doesn't surprise me. It's that kind of behavior that has us sadly considering moving. I've lived in Potomac, Bethesda and for the last 18years SS. The people in SS are by far the best and the ones I prefer to live among. However, the downtown, which we visit weekly is untenable.

Shitty Place serves no constituency that I can discern. It fails them all. Our biggest problem is the teenage kids. Nearly every teen, white, black or green can't seem to resist talking out loud with "Fuck" being every other word . . . or "Bitch."

One day in PotBelly's I had to come over to the booth next to mine and tell the teenage boy to hold it down because I have young girls with me. "It" being "fuck" and more in an unbearably loud voice as he described his relationship with his father for us all to hear. He looked at me like I was crazy, but he got the message and shut up. I got the feeling he didn't get confronted often. The girl in the booth actually seemed to understand when she saw my daughters.

Another time while walking by the Majestic my entire family was treated to a young black female arguing with a young black male back and forth across the street. "Fuck you, you n_ _ _ _ _ ass punk bitch" and back and forth.

Do I even have to re-hash what it is like to go to a movie at the Majestic?

My wife took my girls to Ben&Jerry's for ice cream one day and were confronted with a man in the store simply passed out and on the floor. "Security" came and woke him and got him going. The whole time my girls are peppering my wife with questions about this guy, "was he dead", "what was wrong with him?"

Even the library is not immune. I go to the SS and Longbranch library several times a week, more to SS. During the school year I took my girls to get some books after school. I couldn't believe it when I got inside. About a dozen young girls in uniforms, (look like catholic school unis) are screaming and laughing so loud you couldn't hear yourself think. I look around and ALL the librarians are acting like it is not even happening. Since every one was screaming and having a good time I added my own voice to the party. I yelled, "Hey, knock that off right now, this is a library." Well, you could've heard a pin drop after that. The girls were aghast that someone would talk to them like that. They simply got quiet and left. Lo and behold it was a library again, at least for a few minutes.

Sadly I just don't see much improvement. There is a lot to love about this area but when raising two girls, I've seen enough.

Brent said...

I'm hearing a LOT of people complain about the downhill slide of what has been a promising downtown area. All it will take is one knifing or shooting and that will be the end of "the new Silver Spring." We all need to complain to Petersen Companies, the county, the SS Chamber and others -- motivate them to take action and get the punks off the street before it's too late.

Springvale Roader said...

I am also sick and tired of all the profanity coming out of the mouths of teens that I hear every day. I hear it walking home from the Metro, past the Majestic, and across the turf. I hear it on the metro, too, especially during off-peak hours. At some point a rubicon was crossed where saying these things in public was the occasional outrage to the mundane. It was a big transgressive deal when The Who sang, "Who the [frak] are you!" Now that's just another commonplace lyric. It's not all rap's fault, but a lot of it is.

I'm ready to join the "Hey you kids, get off my lawn!" crowd, and I'm only 45.

Anyway, I agree that sooner or later someone is going to get murdered on Hellsworth -- probably by the Majestic -- but often it's things like that which get the powers that be to get off their butts and finally do something. In the meantime, I'd like to see D.C. and P.G. County develop more movie theaters and oher venues for their teens to go to, so that they don't have to come to Silver Spring as their first choice for hanging out.

Anyone want to chip in for a few of those Mosquito thingies?

Springvale Roader said...

P.S. Ed, I'm glad you spoke up. The librarians really were at fault here, since they, like the workers at Ben & Jerry's, have the first duty to keep their respective places safe and comfortable for their customers. I suppose they were just scared.

Anonymous said...

Or the librarians were just tired. If it happens every single day, no matter what you say or do, and if you aren't allowed to ban people from the library just for being loud and obnoxious, I can see how after a while, you just ignore it because there's no point in acting on it anyway. Sure, you can yell at them, then they leave, but the next group just comes in, and it seems like a losing battle.

Not everyone is afraid of loud obnoxious teenagers.

Ed said...

Anonymous 2:14, there is a point in acting on it. I'm quite sure there is a noise statute that could be used to enforce it. It is always kids, and once they know it won't be tolerated it won't.
You have to try.

Anonymous said...

Sligo said...
Takoma, DC might have a lot of crime, but Takoma Park, MD not so much. I just ate at Mark's Kitchen last night and really liked it.

I'd like to take the corner of Carrol and Laurel in Takoma Park and move it about a mile down into Silver Spring.

7/15/2008 8:22 AM

RE: You may not agree but there are alot of people from other parts of the DC area that STRONGLY Believes that Takoma Park, MD has a crime issue especially near Langley Park........

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Ruby Tuesday went out of business probably because customers didn't like having to walk through thug-ville to get to the main entrance of City Place Mall. The best thing that could happen to that corner is to remove the bus stops.

7/15/2008 8:27 AM

RE: WOW!!!!!!!

The KKK has Spoken.................

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous 1:44, Independent restaurants help Silver Spring maintain diversity and uniqueness. "Sticking out like a sore thumb" isn't a bad thing when it keeps you from looking like Every Other Town in America. Its part of what "attracks" (LOL) me to SS.

7/15/2008 8:52 AM

RE: Independent Restaurants does help Maintain Diversity but the Question still remains as to why they aren't any African American Owned Soul Food Restaurants or Authentic West Indian Roti Restaurants since there are alot of African Americans and West Indians that either reside or vist Silver Spring...........

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
A few observations:

1. There are a few construction workers at the Veridian that worship Nazism and Hitler. Disturbing. The last thing we need is Nazis spreading their filthy, racist propaganda.

2. Ruby Tuesday was a victim to the local tastes. Crappy food and crappy service. If I wanted that, I would prefer to visit the Tastee Diner.

3. More PG County and DC (Georgia Ave.) trash causing trouble along the Hellsworth corridor. Shocker. You want the hooligans from the 'hood gone?
1. Shut down City Place.
2. Shut down the Majestic cineplex.
3. Tear up the green turf and start constructing the Silver Spring civic center.

Problem solved.

-IHateYuppies-

7/15/2008 9:06 AM

RE: You claim to dislike Nazism and Racist Propaganda but yet you call people from DC/PG County Hooligans...

Not only your a Maryland Hater but your also a freaking Backpeddling anti-Black Racist........

It would just crush your Evil Spirits to see Maryland Out grow Northern Virginai with Upscale Modern Multi Level Office Buildings, Multi-Level Upscale Retail Indoor Shopping Malls, Well Planned multi-lane Expressways, and Welthy Educated African Americans that Operate their Own Businesses......

Anonymous said...

Springvale Roader said...
Oh, those indie restaurants with their ster-range names like Adega and Abol and Ghar-E-Kabab and Mandalay and Olazzo! There food is so good, but golly, can't they have normal names like Applebee's or Friday's or Moe's Family Feedbag?

If all it takes is an unfamiliar restaurant name to keep the yahoos out of Silver Spring, then I'd be happy if every restaurant name was as goofy as "Bombay Gaylord."

7/15/2008 9:24 AM

RE: What "Yahoos" are you talking about, African Americans??????????

Reston and Tysons Corner, VA have Upscale Chain Names like PF Chengs, Cheesecake Factury, California Pizza, Legal Seafood, TGI Fridays, etc. and they don't attract the "Yahoos" your talking about....

With that said the Indie Restaurants aren't going to scare the "Yahoos" away thats just your wishful thinking in hopes that Silver Spring gets rid of Chain Businesses and look more like that Depressing town of Takoma Park in Hopes that Silver Spring will Never be able to compete with the Upscale Business/Economic/Revenue Growth that has Helped Northern Virginia............

Anonymous said...

Springvale Roader said...
Oh, those indie restaurants with their ster-range names like Adega and Abol and Ghar-E-Kabab and Mandalay and Olazzo! There food is so good, but golly, can't they have normal names like Applebee's or Friday's or Moe's Family Feedbag?

If all it takes is an unfamiliar restaurant name to keep the yahoos out of Silver Spring, then I'd be happy if every restaurant name was as goofy as "Bombay Gaylord."

7/15/2008 9:24 AM

RE: What "Yahoos" are you talking about, African Americans??????????

Reston and Tysons Corner, VA have Upscale Chain Names like PF Chengs, Cheesecake Factury, California Pizza, Legal Seafood, TGI Fridays, etc. and they don't attract the "Yahoos" your talking about....

With that said the Indie Restaurants aren't going to scare the "Yahoos" away thats just your wishful thinking in hopes that Silver Spring gets rid of Chain Businesses and look more like that Depressing town of Takoma Park in Hopes that Silver Spring will Never be able to compete with the Upscale Business/Economic/Revenue Growth that has Helped Northern Virginia............

Anonymous said...

dan reed said...
"3. More PG County and DC (Georgia Ave.) trash causing trouble along the Hellsworth corridor. Shocker."

Seriously? The last thing we need is to act like we're better than anyone who isn't from Montgomery County. I'm not saying kids don't cause trouble on Ellsworth, but what good does it do to bash Prince George's and the District the same way that everyone else bashes Silver Spring as a "chain-filled wasteland"?

7/15/2008 9:43 AM

RE: If Silver Spring is a Chain Wasteland then what would Tysons Corner, Reston Town Center, Dulles Town Center, Ballston Commons, Pentagon City, and Crystal City would be called because they have 10x as much chain businesses than ALL of Silver Spring.........

Anonymous said...

rent said...
I'm hearing a LOT of people complain about the downhill slide of what has been a promising downtown area. All it will take is one knifing or shooting and that will be the end of "the new Silver Spring." We all need to complain to Petersen Companies, the county, the SS Chamber and others -- motivate them to take action and get the punks off the street before it's too late.

7/15/2008 11:46 AM

RE: And I wonder what would Silver Spring would be like today if the Maryland hating Anti-Growth Psycho Freaks didn't Sabatoge the The former Plans to build the "American Dream" Entertainment Mega Mall that would have put Tysons Corner I & II to shame..............

Anonymous said...

Springvale Roader said...
I am also sick and tired of all the profanity coming out of the mouths of teens that I hear every day. I hear it walking home from the Metro, past the Majestic, and across the turf. I hear it on the metro, too, especially during off-peak hours. At some point a rubicon was crossed where saying these things in public was the occasional outrage to the mundane. It was a big transgressive deal when The Who sang, "Who the [frak] are you!" Now that's just another commonplace lyric. It's not all rap's fault, but a lot of it is.

I'm ready to join the "Hey you kids, get off my lawn!" crowd, and I'm only 45.

Anyway, I agree that sooner or later someone is going to get murdered on Hellsworth -- probably by the Majestic -- but often it's things like that which get the powers that be to get off their butts and finally do something. In the meantime, I'd like to see D.C. and P.G. County develop more movie theaters and oher venues for their teens to go to, so that they don't have to come to Silver Spring as their first choice for hanging out.

Anyone want to chip in for a few of those Mosquito thingies?

7/15/2008 1:20 PM

RE: Have you ever heard of The Boulevard Town Centre in Largo??????????

If not I wouldn't be soo quick to Bash DTSS because if you know what I know and heard about The Boulevard Town Centre you would have a different view of DTSS and find it more on Par with Bethesda and Friendship Heights/Chevy Chasw..........

Sligo said...

"RE: You may not agree but there are alot of people from other parts of the DC area that STRONGLY Believes that Takoma Park, MD has a crime issue especially near Langley Park........"

You're right, of course. I always think of Takoma Park as the older, hippie part, but the part down toward Langley Park isn't so hot.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7/16/2008 1:39 AM,

When you use the phrase "Cheesecake Factury", it makes the rest of your post invalid.

Springvale Roader said...

To the most recent and very prolific Anonymous. You wrote,
"What "Yahoos" are you talking about, African Americans??????????"

Settle down, pilgrim. By "Yahoo," I was referring to anyone who would disparage a restaurant by noting that it had a "strange" name.

Anonymous said...

Is it the heat and humidity that is making everyone so hateful? Or is it that we seem to be in the middle of an economic meltdown of a magnitude not seen in 80 years? A lot of y'all seem to have anger issues. Well, at least there are a lot of aggressive drivers off of Georgia Ave., who are saving money by staying home and letting their anger out through their keyboards...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous 7/16/2008 1:39 AM,

When you use the phrase "Cheesecake Factury", it makes the rest of your post invalid.
.........
Hahaha. I think it's the same poster, with a tenuous grasp on proper English grammar and spelling, who is spouting all of this pro-big-chain-corporation nonsense.

Anonymous said...

Resident Nutjob says, RE: "And I wonder what would Silver Spring would be like today if the Maryland hating Anti-Growth Psycho Freaks didn't Sabatoge the The former Plans to build the "American Dream" Entertainment Mega Mall that would have put Tysons Corner I & II to shame"

OK...a huge hulking, ugly shopping mall along Colesville and Georgia would have no architectural design value for Silver Spring. No thanks. I would rather enjoy the fresh air and walking along the streets of Silver Spring. Building indoor shopping malls and multi-lane express ways was the cool planning thing back in the 1950s. Here's a news flash Mr. Anyone-Who-Disagrees-With-Me-Is-A-Maryland-Hater...we are in the 21st century now and we have to consider environmental and human health issues in planning.

-IHateYuppies-

Anonymous said...

I Hate Yuppies, I'm a yuppie, but I love you.

Anonymous said...

Mark's Kitchen does rule, and Savory down the street is awesome as well. Old-town Takoma is pretty great.

Anonymous said...

My sig other wants to eat healthy but won't enter Mark's Kitchen because it looks so grotty from the outside.

Springvale Roader said...

Earlier I suggested that the local librarians might have been scared of telling those noisy teenage girls to be quiet. An "Anonymous" responded with, "Not everyone is afraid of loud obnoxious teenagers."

True enough. Different people have different comfort levels when it comes to confrontation. It also depends on circumstances. We need to bear in mind, though, that the D.C. region is extraordinarily violent compared to the rest of the country. Disputes here, especially among young people, are settled with guns and knives at a sickeningly high rate, compared to other places. The D.C. region has a great deal of familial dysfunction -- children growing up without effective parental oversight, children growing up in neighborhoods where many of their peers are criminals, violent, or both, etc. What this means is that confronting a teenager around here can be far more dangerous than you might expect. I'm not saying don't confront them, but bear in mind that your confrontation might lead to a violent encounter, and one in which you might be outnumbered. Can you take on 3 violent teenage boys? How about 5? How about if they're armed with knives or worse? Things to consider, along with this anecdote which I read today in my community group's list serve:

"Two years ago my daughter came to visit me, and took her daughter up to the Majestic to meet a former classmate from Lowell. My daughter went back to pick up her daughter when the movie ended. Guys hanging around outside the Majestic, gave unwanted verbal admirations, to my 13 yr old granddaughter. My daughter told the young men that her daughter was only 13, although very tall, and asked the young men to please be respectful, and not make those kinds of comments. My granddaughter was dressed conservatively, she did not have on suggestive attire, that would warrant unwelcome comments.

My daughter was cursed out, the young men quickly got very close to her face, and threatened to do her bodily harm. My granddaughter and her mother went back inside the Majestic and asked for help. No help was available. As a result, my family stopped going to the Majestic."

Anonymous said...

Springvale Roader, that comment alone will put me on a permanent Majestic boycott (not that my other 20 experiences there were anything other than crap-tastic)

Brent said...

Re: earlier discussion of Moorenko's...I, too, have been appalled by the conditions there lately. Today, I called the McLean shop and got Susan Soorenko herself on the phone. She was very nice about it and is fully aware of the problem and trying to fix things. Sounds to me like an issue of staff just not doing their job to keep things up -- as they say, "good help is hard to find."

Anonymous said...

Springvale,

I really think the revitalization of downtown Silver Spring could be in jeopardy because of the teens. If more people shy away from doing business along the stretch of Ellsworth and Fenton, businesses will be hurt badly.

I wouldn't mind if the Majestic Theater went under but I like the Borders, the Ben & Jerry's ice cream and McGinty's.

It's only matter of time before a kid is going to pull out his Glock 9mm and start shooting someone who dis-respected him. This will happen right on Ellsworth in front many families with young children and many pedestrians in the vicinity. You would have mass panic, people diving for cover, the screams, and terror. Can you imagine the human carnage that this would cause?

An incident like this would devastate Silver Spring fragile economic rebirth. The Montgomery County police would go in lockdown mode for the entire square block area. I think the County Council would institute a mandatory curfew on person's under the age of 18 in downtown Silver Spring. Police might even randomly check ID of people walking in the Ellsworth/Fenton area. If you are a teen from DC or PG County without an adult present, you will not be allowed in the Ellsworth/Fenton area. The ACLU, African-American civil rights groups and local Hispanic organizations might fight this idea. They have a strong case because the police powers might be unconstitutional. Basically, we lose some freedom but gain security. But the reputation of Silver Spring would be damaged for YEARS. I don't want to see Silver Spring turn into a martial law zone where minorities feel like they are being targeted. However, I also want to feel safe in my community. I don't know where the balance exists.

-IHateYuppies-

Batman said...

IHY,

I try to have more confidence in the human race. Aren't there usually a bunch of cops around anyway? What are they doing?

I don't go to DTSS that often anymore. I haven't had a problem with people trying to pick fights with me, nor have I had any issues with Majestic, so there's no particular reason why.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, well aside from supervillains, who's going to pick a fight with Batman?

I have zero confidence in the human race. We commit genocide at the drop of a hat, and when things are at their worst, contrary to hokey wisdom, we're at our worst, too.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7/16/2008 1:39 AM,

When you use the phrase "Cheesecake Factury", it makes the rest of your post invalid.
7/16/2008 6:00 AM

RE: When you make comments about Indie Restaurants without including American/African American Soul Food Restaurants that makes your ENTIRE Indie Rant INVALID..............

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous 7/16/2008 1:39 AM,

When you use the phrase "Cheesecake Factury", it makes the rest of your post invalid.
.........
Hahaha. I think it's the same poster, with a tenuous grasp on proper English grammar and spelling, who is spouting all of this pro-big-chain-corporation nonsense.
7/16/2008 8:58 AM

RE: Your one of those Maryland Haters from Virginia that wants All of the Upscale Large Chain Businesses to Escape Maryland and continue to enrich DC and Northern Virginia...........

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Resident Nutjob says, RE: "And I wonder what would Silver Spring would be like today if the Maryland hating Anti-Growth Psycho Freaks didn't Sabatoge the The former Plans to build the "American Dream" Entertainment Mega Mall that would have put Tysons Corner I & II to shame"

OK...a huge hulking, ugly shopping mall along Colesville and Georgia would have no architectural design value for Silver Spring. No thanks. I would rather enjoy the fresh air and walking along the streets of Silver Spring. Building indoor shopping malls and multi-lane express ways was the cool planning thing back in the 1950s. Here's a news flash Mr. Anyone-Who-Disagrees-With-Me-Is-A-Maryland-Hater...we are in the 21st century now and we have to consider environmental and human health issues in planning.

-IHateYuppies-
7/16/2008 9:35 AM

RE: More Ignorant talking from a anti-Maryland Hypocrite that Fails to admit that Large Retail Areas near Multi-Lane Expressways in Northern Virginia Such as Tyson's Corner, Dulles Town Center, and pentagon City Mall are Stated to be One of the BEST Design Shopping Centers in the Nation which doesn't say much about Maryland Shopping Centers......

I would bet any money that if anyone will ask ALL of the Tourist that Visit DC which Suburban State they would like to Venture out to; I would bet that Most will choose Northern Virginia due to Pentagon City and Tyson's Corner.

The ONLY Reason why You HATE to see a MEGA Mall being built in Montgomery County is due to FEAR that it will ATTRACT some Virginians(to leave their state) and DC Tourist to Venture into Maryland which will give GREATER COMPETITION to the Upscale Retail Centers that now DOMINATES Northern Virgina...........

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Mark's Kitchen does rule, and Savory down the street is awesome as well. Old-town Takoma is pretty great.
7/16/2008 11:25 AM

RE: If Old-Town Takoma is soo great then why do most people Venture to Old-Town Alexandria instead of Old-Town Takoma Park??????????????

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

My sig other wants to eat healthy but won't enter Mark's Kitchen because it looks so grotty from the outside.
7/16/2008 12:01 PM

RE: FINALLY someone with Common Sense is Speaking the Truth!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Springvale,

I really think the revitalization of downtown Silver Spring could be in jeopardy because of the teens. If more people shy away from doing business along the stretch of Ellsworth and Fenton, businesses will be hurt badly.

I wouldn't mind if the Majestic Theater went under but I like the Borders, the Ben & Jerry's ice cream and McGinty's.

It's only matter of time before a kid is going to pull out his Glock 9mm and start shooting someone who dis-respected him. This will happen right on Ellsworth in front many families with young children and many pedestrians in the vicinity. You would have mass panic, people diving for cover, the screams, and terror. Can you imagine the human carnage that this would cause?

An incident like this would devastate Silver Spring fragile economic rebirth. The Montgomery County police would go in lockdown mode for the entire square block area. I think the County Council would institute a mandatory curfew on person's under the age of 18 in downtown Silver Spring. Police might even randomly check ID of people walking in the Ellsworth/Fenton area. If you are a teen from DC or PG County without an adult present, you will not be allowed in the Ellsworth/Fenton area. The ACLU, African-American civil rights groups and local Hispanic organizations might fight this idea. They have a strong case because the police powers might be unconstitutional. Basically, we lose some freedom but gain security. But the reputation of Silver Spring would be damaged for YEARS. I don't want to see Silver Spring turn into a martial law zone where minorities feel like they are being targeted. However, I also want to feel safe in my community. I don't know where the balance exists.

-IHateYuppies-
7/16/2008 2:54 PM

RE: I guarantee that this is YOUR TRUE WISHFUL THINKING because it will give you Ammunition(No Pun) to continue to Down Talk Montgomery County and prove your Biased Theory that Montgomery County(if not All of Maryland) is not Worthy of Upscale Modernize Development that has Identified Northern Virginia Successfully through the past Several Decades........

Anonymous said...

Batman said...

IHY,

I try to have more confidence in the human race. Aren't there usually a bunch of cops around anyway? What are they doing?

I don't go to DTSS that often anymore. I haven't had a problem with people trying to pick fights with me, nor have I had any issues with Majestic, so there's no particular reason why.
7/16/2008 3:38 PM

RE: Its not a really Bad issue. Its these Closet Racist(and Maryland Haters) want to Habitually Paint a Negative Picture of Silver Spring because it attracts African Americans and Other Ethnic People unlike most Upscale Densely Developed Areas of Northern Virginia which Mainly attracts Whites, Asians, and a Very Very Very Small Percentage of African Americans and Latinos..........

Easley said...

Alright Sligo, seriously, this "Anonymous" troll needs to be cut off. I'm beyond confused whether or not this guy wants SS to be more like NoVA, or whether he likes SS because it is not NoVa. He says he wants us to have more big malls to be like VA but doesn't want us to be like VA because VA is racist...either you like VA or you don't.

If you like Northern VA so fucking much why don't you just move there.

We in Silver Spring are a diverse bunch of people that enjoy a variety of things and have a variety of demographics. We do, however, want a few things - we want a save, walkable, greener community with affordable living for all and a healthy balance between local shops, niche shops, corporate shops, and mainstream shops.

What we don't want, however, are a sea of overpriced apartment buildings and rentals surrounded by souless skyscrapes, congested roads, faceless buildings, and some variation of applebee's on every corner.

There's plenty of chain's in Rockville, MoCo's County seat, and a billion other areas in MD. SS is not indicitative of MD on a whole, which is one of the things that makes it so great in the first place. If you want more NoVA, move to NoVa, and please enjoy the congested commute down there. Or at least attach a real name to your comments, because as it stands your just making blanket trolling comments and hiding behind an anonymous IP.

Easley said...

IHY - I grew up in a small, rural area of Southern MD. I don't know if you are from MD and are familiar with Waldorf in Charles County, but the Waldorf mall was the closet mall/thing to do for us for years. Even in that somewhat rural area you still had the same problem - teens/preteens, regardless of race, walking around with an attitude and an aura of invincibility, the notion of let me see how many people I can annoy just to look cool and be rebellious. There was a video arcade there and parents would just drop there kids off there and consider it to be a babysitter and older teens would just hang out there all the time causing trouble. Soon drugs entered the mix and it was one of those places.

Eventually the teens just kept getting worse, to the point that someone got stabbed on a Saturday afternoon one summer a few years ago. That was finally the wakeup call everyone needed. The arcade was evicted and heavy security was hired, but by then the damage was done. This happened back in the early 2000s, the mall is just now starting to finally full recover its image.

I fear a similar thing happening with the Majestic and DTSS.

Springvale Roader said...

Sligo, I'm with Easley on this particular "Anonymous" troll. I am fascinated by the troll phenomenon. It seems that every website, every blog, no matter how specialized, attracts at least one unstable person who zeros in on it and creates chaos. Maybe instead of "trolls," we should call them "Siegfrieds." Regardless, if you have the technical ability to block this one person, I think you should. A cone of silence?

Anonymous said...

What Im fascinated by is that the troll uses capitalization like its a 419 scam.

I mean who writes "Tourist that Visit DC which Suburban State they would like to Venture out to"?!?!

I agree with IHY though, its only a matter of time before there is a shooting by the Majestic.....

Tina & Drew said...

Easley -

want to Waldorf mall in high school - late 1990s, absolutely horrible mall. As soon as I got a drivers permit I headed out to Virginia.

The shooting might have been the icing on the cake o'crappiness for Waldorf. Lately though they have been getting quite a bit of growth last 3 years - best buy, restaurants (Famous Daves - chain but good b-b-q!) that might have contributed to its recovery.

Tina & Drew said...

Springvale Roader -

if only tasers were legal... That is a horrible experience for your family. One thing I absolutely hate about downtown Silver Spring is that the retards seem to think women like being cat called and stalked down the street to start up a conversation.

I've gotten into a few shouting matches with the idiots, I wish more women would tell them to screw themselves... The fact that some women actually respond to that kind of crude behavior, promoting it, blows my mind.

Anonymous said...

Tina & Drew,

The story of a mother and daughter harassed at The Majestic was lifted by Springvale Reader from a local list serve. It wasn't his family that was accosted.

Just a point of correction. And yes, I think it's ridiculous that women are catcalled and followed by various creeps.

-IHateYuppies-

Dave Murphy said...

Sligo how do you put up with madness like this?

Anonymous said...

Easley said...
Alright Sligo, seriously, this "Anonymous" troll needs to be cut off.

RE: Then thaat means that you will be the first Dictating Troll that they will have to cut off.....

7/16/2008 5:48 PM

Easley said...

I'm beyond confused whether or not this guy wants SS to be more like NoVA, or whether he likes SS because it is not NoVa. He says he wants us to have more big malls to be like VA but doesn't want us to be like VA because VA is racist...either you like VA or you don't.

7/16/2008 5:48 PM

RE: No one said Northern Virginia was racist you said that.

Easley said...

If you like Northern VA so fucking much why don't you just move there.

7/16/2008 5:48 PM

RE: Why should I do that and live near Maryland Haters like you.......

Easley said...

We in Silver Spring are a diverse bunch of people that enjoy a variety of things and have a variety of demographics. We do, however, want a few things - we want a save, walkable, greener community with affordable living for all and a healthy balance between local shops, niche shops, corporate shops, and mainstream shops.

What we don't want, however, are a sea of overpriced apartment buildings and rentals surrounded by souless skyscrapes, congested roads, faceless buildings, and some variation of applebee's on every corner.

7/16/2008 5:48 PM

RE: If you don't want to see Silver Spring Look like Arlington or Tysons Corner then why don't you move back to the Southern Hick Rural Hillbilly town that you came from and stop trying to talk like a Communist Dictator with your hopes of chasing People Out of Maryland with your anti-Growth Rants.....

Easley said...

There's plenty of chain's in Rockville, MoCo's County seat, and a billion other areas in MD. SS is not indicitative of MD on a whole, which is one of the things that makes it so great in the first place. If you want more NoVA, move to NoVa, and please enjoy the congested commute down there.

7/16/2008 5:48 PM

RE: You can always move to no mans land Iowa if you hate High Dense urbanism with Large Chain Retails but as long as you continue to claim to be a Maryland Tax Paying Citizen, I will remain a Maryland Tax Paying Citizen.....

Easley said...
Or at least attach a real name to your comments, because as it stands your just making blanket trolling comments and hiding behind an anonymous IP.

7/16/2008 5:48 PM

RE: I can definately bet that your screen name is not your real name.........

Anonymous said...

Springvale Roader said...
Sligo, I'm with Easley on this particular "Anonymous" troll. I am fascinated by the troll phenomenon. It seems that every website, every blog, no matter how specialized, attracts at least one unstable person who zeros in on it and creates chaos. Maybe instead of "trolls," we should call them "Siegfrieds." Regardless, if you have the technical ability to block this one person, I think you should. A cone of silence?

7/16/2008 9:15 PM

RE: Lets see here:

Calling other blog posters trolls just because they say something that you don't agree with........

Refering to African Americans as Yahoos because you don't like the fact that young African Americans like to hang aroung DTSS.....

And now your trying to intimidate other Blog Posters that you don't agree with by having them censored which is a TOTAL VIOLATION OF THE 1ST AMENDMENT in which You now you would not be happy with if You were Censored because of People who find your Posting EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE..............

Vagrarian said...

Well, let's be honest here...the first amendment applies to public forums, not private services. (Like howling out profanities in the middle of a store; you'll get thrown out and hiding behind the first amendment won't help you.) I learned about this while doing some volunteer work elsewhere. On a place like this, the webmaster has the right to censor or ban people who are deemed to be abusive, offensive, or inappropriate. Go talk to a lawyer if it bothers you so much. This blog is not a public forum, but a private space where people are allowed to post.

As for Old Town Takoma...it's only a few blocks, hardly as big as Old Town Alexandria, and also doesn't have all the big-name retail that OTA has, or the variety. The reason more people don't go there is because there just isn't enough to appeal to large crowds, and it's really not meant for large crowds. There's only a few restaurants and no bars and no hotels, so it's no party destination. Comparing OTT to OTA is foolishness, in my eyes, because they're very different beasts.

So what if Mark's Kitchen may look grotty from the outside? It's clean, and the food and service are both exemplary. Go check it out! The people lining up for breakfast on the weekends should be a sign. If I always avoided restaurants based on outward appearances, I would have missed out on Mandalay in its original digs in College Park. Even their current digs are hardly glam, but they're still good.

I'm not sure where this "anonymous" person is coming from; they're all over the place and seems more intent on picking fights and flinging accusations rather than making a coherent stand. If someone calls you a "troll," it's not because they merely disagree with you, but because you seem interested only in arguing and name-calling.

Springvale Roader said...

My god! Anonymous Troll, one of the reasons you're a troll is that because you are incredibly obtuse. First, I've already explained that my use of the word "Yahoo" referred to saps who avoid restaurants because they think they have "strange names," not African Americans???!!!%%%****@@@@@$$$$$!!!!!whoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoop!

Second, Easley never suggested that "Easley" was his/her real name. Rather, Easley told you to at least pick a screen name besides "Anonymous" so that we wouldn't confuse the other Anonymouses with you, though I guess that since you have such a unique way of ranting, there's really not much danger in that.

I say this troll gets banned.

Vagrarian said...

For more on free speech and the internet, read this:

http://legallad.quickanddirtytips.com/free-speech-limitations.aspx

The gist of it is that the First Amendment bars congress from hampering free speech, but does not mean that private parties can censor free speech in their own forums. Websites are fully within their legal rights to censor postings and comments in forums.

Anonymous said...

Springvale Roader said...

Can you take on 3 violent teenage boys? How about 5? How about if they're armed with knives or worse? Things to consider, along with this anecdote which I read today in my community group's list serve:

"Two years ago my daughter came to visit me, and took her daughter up to the Majestic to meet a former classmate from Lowell. My daughter went back to pick up her daughter when the movie ended. Guys hanging around outside the Majestic, gave unwanted verbal admirations, to my 13 yr old granddaughter. My daughter told the young men that her daughter was only 13, although very tall, and asked the young men to please be respectful, and not make those kinds of comments. My granddaughter was dressed conservatively, she did not have on suggestive attire, that would warrant unwelcome comments.

My daughter was cursed out, the young men quickly got very close to her face, and threatened to do her bodily harm. My granddaughter and her mother went back inside the Majestic and asked for help. No help was available. As a result, my family stopped going to the Majestic."

If that had been her father it could have easily ended up like this:

http://www.startribune.com/local/south/25472764.html?location_refer=Most%20Viewed:Homepage:8

Vagrarian said...

Crap, I meant to say, "...but does not mean that private parties are not allowed to censor free speech in their own forums."

Sorry about that.

Springvale Roader said...

Anonymous 8:53, that's a really sad and tragic story. It's particularly grotesque that the first kid actually used his cell phone to call his friend in for the assault. I suppose the whole concept of a fair fight is obsolete.

The biggest mistake anyone can do is get into a fight that they could otherwise avoid. In my own fight classes (Krav Maga), the lesson that was drilled into us over and over again was, if you get home safe and sound, you've won the fight. Do whatever it takes to avoid a physical confrontation (assuming you don't have to rescue someone else), even if it means resorting to the Nike defense, i.e., run away. Who cares if some devolved thug laughs at you?

The fact that a creep slapped a little girl on her butt was disgusting, but after that happened she was not in any danger, and in hindsight, it's a shame that her father didn't just pick her up in his arms and leave the amusement park with his wife immediately. Now he's struggling to stay alive. Sad.

Sligo said...

Alas there isn't much I can do to prevent posts by specific users plus I'm in class all week so it's a bit hard to moderate... Hopefully we won't hear any more from our friend.

Anonymous said...

I agree. Don't fight these thugs, they're not worth it. If their behavior is so outrageous, call the police or flag one down on Ellsworth, they're not hard to find in that immediate area by the movie theater. Thugs cower in the presence of police, and those who don't get thrown in jail or are killed.

However I have to say that while I agree that Ellsworth has gotten worse, this is really just what happens (unfortunately) in the summer months when kids are out of school. It happens in every urban environment (been to Chinatown, Dupont or Adams Morgan lately?), so I wouldn't get too worried. That being said, I hope Montgomery County gets smart and overloads the entire downtown area with police so that their behavior is constrained by their presence.

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Anonymous said...

Why don't they have these problems in DT Bethesda- are the local listserv neighbors in Bethesda worried about the possibility of teenage (or other) violence turning the downtown area into a wasteland?

Anonymous said...

Anon 3:43, Teenagers that grow up in Bethesda are more likely to come from stable, well-educated two-parent families. I would say that holds true for many Silver Spring families too, but as has been discussed before, there are people who come in from other areas that are easily accessed by Metro. Bethesda isn't as easily accessed from Prince George's or the eastern part of the district. (and before anyone flames me for singling out certian areas, look at a police map of where the majority of crime occurs).

Anonymous said...

Look, Silver Spring isn't Bethesda. We're right on the DC border, 3 or 4 metro stops away from areas of DC that aren't that great. Those are the kids coming here with nothing to do in the summer besides hangout outside a movie theater. We are also host to a bus depot that brings many people from areas that are very very very different from the Montgomery County suburbs near Bethesda. Facts are facts.

Anonymous said...

Exactly my point Anon 5:20, you just typed it faster than I did at 5:23.

Brent said...

Update on the Thug Issue: I sat in on a meeting of the Silver Spring Urban District board late today. I think they understand the problem and will push for more police presence, despite the budget cuts that for now have take many officers off the Ellsworth strip at night. Same for the Peterson Cos., who run the Ellsworth block and say they have upgraded their in-house security patrols with people who are serious about chasing off the thugs. BUT -- it wouldn't hurt for all of you (and all your friends/family -- anyone who can put two words together) to call the County Council and Ike Leggett's ofc and say, "We need our cops, we need them now and they need to get tough!"

Otherwise, I fear we may bog down in a discussion of "Why do these kids do this? Is there something we can do to keep them busy?" rather than decreeing, "You can't scream (MF) on a crowded street, and if you do you're arrested!" Remind them that SS already is on its "2nd chance" to be a vibrant community; one more slip up (i.e., a child felled by a stray bullet while two creeps argue over a hat)and we're done for.....

Anonymous said...

Vagrarian said...

Well, let's be honest here...the first amendment applies to public forums, not private services. (Like howling out profanities in the middle of a store; you'll get thrown out and hiding behind the first amendment won't help you.) I learned about this while doing some volunteer work elsewhere. On a place like this, the webmaster has the right to censor or ban people who are deemed to be abusive, offensive, or inappropriate. Go talk to a lawyer if it bothers you so much. This blog is not a public forum, but a private space where people are allowed to post.

As for Old Town Takoma...it's only a few blocks, hardly as big as Old Town Alexandria, and also doesn't have all the big-name retail that OTA has, or the variety. The reason more people don't go there is because there just isn't enough to appeal to large crowds, and it's really not meant for large crowds. There's only a few restaurants and no bars and no hotels, so it's no party destination. Comparing OTT to OTA is foolishness, in my eyes, because they're very different beasts.

So what if Mark's Kitchen may look grotty from the outside? It's clean, and the food and service are both exemplary. Go check it out! The people lining up for breakfast on the weekends should be a sign. If I always avoided restaurants based on outward appearances, I would have missed out on Mandalay in its original digs in College Park. Even their current digs are hardly glam, but they're still good.

I'm not sure where this "anonymous" person is coming from; they're all over the place and seems more intent on picking fights and flinging accusations rather than making a coherent stand. If someone calls you a "troll," it's not because they merely disagree with you, but because you seem interested only in arguing and name-calling.
7/17/2008 7:53 AM

RE: Dude all you just proving is that you have Klan like mentality and support censoring people Illegally if you don't agree with them but will have a sugar attack if someone Censored you because of someone who doesn't agree with your Communist Dictating Beliefs.......

Anonymous said...

Springvale Roader said...

My god! Anonymous Troll, one of the reasons you're a troll is that because you are incredibly obtuse. First, I've already explained that my use of the word "Yahoo" referred to saps who avoid restaurants because they think they have "strange names," not African Americans???!!!%%%****@@@@@$$$$$!!!!!whoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoop!

Second, Easley never suggested that "Easley" was his/her real name. Rather, Easley told you to at least pick a screen name besides "Anonymous" so that we wouldn't confuse the other Anonymouses with you, though I guess that since you have such a unique way of ranting, there's really not much danger in that.

I say this troll gets banned.
7/17/2008 7:58 AM

RE: Starting with YOU, since you like to offend certain people with your reference to certain ethnic group as Yahoos.....

Your just PO'ed because someone has the common sense to address you on your child like name calling in which was Very Offensive.......

Anonymous said...

Vagrarian said...

Crap, I meant to say, "...but does not mean that private parties are not allowed to censor free speech in their own forums."

Sorry about that.
7/17/2008 8:53 AM

RE: You were right the first time...

Caught yourself and now you want to make up information to support your dictating bullying antics...........

Sligo said...

I think he/she should actually use the moniker "Anonymous Troll" so we can easily identify his/her posts.

CT in Takoma Park said...

Is it just me, or does American Apparel NEVER seem to have customers?

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Easley said...

Does anyone else keep getting flashbacks to that episode of Seinfield about communists when Nova Troll posts?

"This guy's a Commie! He's spreading propaganda!"
"She named names!"

By the way, my new blog "A Pinko Commie Hick in Silver Spring" should be up soon!

In Soviet Russia, blog read you!

Vagrarian said...

Well, for Anonymous Troll....

You can call censorship "illegal" all you want but that won't make it true. The first amendment doesn't apply to private services, period. Any lawyer or scholar of constitutional law will tell you it's legal. The only way you could prove censorship is illegal is by proving that it's being mandated and enforced by federal law. And since that's not the case...you don't have a case. Like I said, go talk to any lawyer.

As for "Klan-like mentality," I guess that's your blanket condemnation for anyone who disagrees with you. I know what you say isn't true, so it doesn't bother me. You're just too worked up, probably doing this to get attention. And this is the last you'll get from me. Good-bye.

Springvale Roader said...

Vagrarian, you are absolutely correct. The First Amendment's limitations on free speech apply ONLY to the Government. The Government is prohibited from censoring speech (though even that is not a blanket prohibition, as the famous axiom that Government can make illegal the shouting of "fire!" in a crowded theater demonstrates). The is no law, whatsover, at all, that prohibits a private entity, be it individual or business, from censoring people as it sees fit. I.e., Sligo is completely within his rights to substitute deranged smiley faces for every word submitted by the troll.

As for the troll: since Sligo cannot prevent the troll from posting, the only other remedy is to starve the troll. Trolls live on attention. Therefore, if we ignore the troll and refrain from responding to its provocations, it will go away. It has no choice. Without attention, trolls die, and if they don't get it here, they will of necessity seek it elsewhere.

You got it, Vagrarian. Let the word go out: Please don't feed the troll!

Vagrarian said...

But I've always wanted to show "THEATER!" in a crowded fire...

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Ruby said...

Wow.
Um. I'd just like to say that not all teens curse aloud.

I'm fifteen, and I don't. I only do it when I'm really mad or pissed. And even then I try to mumble/say it under my breath.

DTSS, is going downhill. Because Silver Spring in general is going downhill.

As is/has Wheaton. Because we are so diverse, and because we (teens) try to act like our friends, or be the 'leader'.

We aren't bad people. We just never had the privilege(?) of being taught something and having the consequences brought down on us.

I like my life, what I can do, how much 'freedom' I have. But, I'd trade it all in to feel safe waiting for my bus, at my bus stop (not even a block from my house) at 6am.